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Perhaps adding the concept of hegemony in international relations theory would be a great addition. The school of Offensive Realism has hegemony as its dominant concept.

I'll work over the next couple days to gather my IR notes and try and type something that's coherent.

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[edit] "protective right-to-work laws"

controversial right-to-work laws are matter-of-factly described as "protective"

unsigned one, they certainly make union membership more "voluntary", which is the issue in the context in which it is used. Whether they can really protect one in an environment of social ostracism is a matter of how well this and other laws are enforced.--Silverback 15:01, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
that's the pro-"right-to-work" version of things - it's a single perspective on a controversial issue that's mostly irrelevant to the main article - and it's presented in a manner that gives no indication that not everyone sees it that way. it's unnecessary and one-sided. there should at least be some sort of an indication that a very different view exists, in which "right-to-work" laws are harmful anti-worker legislation masquerading as some sort of counter-hegemonic intervention. really, any sort of sign that "protective" is a very, very controversial descriptor for these laws would be a good thing.

[edit] Merge

Projection of force should be merged here. -St|eve 20:27, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

  • I don't think so. The idea of force projection is different in many examples. The Yangtze Patrol of the U.S. Navy before World War II was not hegemony. Projection of force is the ability to realistically sustain or threaten the use of force at a distance from the main country. It is a component of hegemony, but not exclusive of it.--Mtnerd 23:12, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation would be nice.

Someone has added a pronounciation in a rather disjointed way - and it's not obviously the correct pronounciation anyway. I agree pronounciation would be nice, but done more thoughtfully than this 129.67.2.244 21:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


Not sure that Wiktionary has it any better...

I suggest something like: (pronounced hi jem΄ ə nē, hej΄ ə mō΄nē, hē΄ jə mō΄ nē)

Samatva 15:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] moved...

Moved to here: to be written: the idea of "hegemony" in Marxist theory.. 212.44.19.62 12:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] removed...

I've removed pronounced he-JEH-min-ee pending decent writeup, probably at the start. 212.44.19.62 12:22, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "A little less slanted, please"

This article does not meet the wikipedia standards of objectivity. The assertion that common sense notions of social values can be identified as the Marxist Gramsci's theory, but cannot simply be stated at the opening of the article as if this were undisputed. A little more historical background to the ground of the concept, starting with the Athenian Hegemony, would also be usful.


It's a little hard to believe that someone hasn't included Rome as a hegemon in the history section. Is there a reason this obvious and probably most prototypical example is not included?

The article awaits the results of your broad reading and sense of balance.--Wetman 12:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opening Sentence

This opening sentence isn't clear:

Hegemony is the dominance of one group over other groups, with or without the threat of force, to the extent that, for instance, the dominant party can dictate the terms of trade to its advantage; more broadly, cultural perspectives become skewed to favor the dominant group.

I still don't know what Hegemony is. I have no clue what it is getting at, other than powergrasping. JoeSmack Talk 07:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I changed the openning paragraph to something more clear, without changing much more than grammar. What I did remove was this: "It controls the ways that ideas become "naturalized" in a process that informs notions of common sense." It was bolded, which lends to importance, but really I don't see it contrubuting to the definition, let alone the lead-in to the article. JoeSmack Talk(p-review!) 00:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Davinatorially

What the heck does "davinatorially" mean in the opening sentence ("often davinatorially pronounced...)? I have searched and searched and can't even find any uses of this word on Google. Is this an attempt to sound smart, or does it actually have a practical use here? -- Renesis (talk) 19:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] RV Pseudo Pedantic Vandalism

removed:

Throughout what University of Pennsylvannia business professor Roland Barthes describes as the "ninety-degree angles of davinatorial history" in his book Hegemony is from Mars, And Sexy" (1994)'

appears to be no such book,.

[edit] Erosion of text

The following proposed changes introduce looser grammar and thought, and reject a useful idea that is part of the effective definition of hegemony, of what it is and how it functions in the evolution of the ideas called "common sense":

Old version: "...the dominant party can dictate the terms of trade to its advantage; more broadly, cultural perspectives become skewed to favor the dominant group. Hegemony controls the ways that ideas become "naturalized" in a process that informs notions of common sense.
The italicized sentence has been suppressed in the proposed text; it describes a familiar effect of cultural hegemony, which apparently needs expanding to render it more obvious. Editors shouldn't cut ideas because they don't understand them.
Proposed version: "This can be advantageous in ways such as the dominant party can dictate the terms of trade to its advantage. In an even more broad sense, hegemony can even result in cultural perspectives becoming skewed to favor the dominant group."
This has a floating antecedent; in ways such as is a disimprovement; more broad does not improve broader; the last thought was apparently obscure, so I suggest this revision: "The cultural control that hegemony asserts even affects commonplace patterns of thought: hegemony controls the ways that new or introduced ideas become "naturalized" or are rejected, in a process that subtly informs notions of common sense." Any objections? --Wetman 01:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Before I get into other parts of the lead in, lets fix the last sentence which i don't understand (er, or it's inferred as such).

"The cultural control that hegemony asserts affects commonplace patterns of thought: hegemony controls the way new ideas are rejected or become naturalized in a process that subtly alters notions of common sense in a given society."

'new or introduced' is redundant. 'even' is cruft. removed the -s at the end of 'ways': there is only one way for both being rejected and being naturalized (as in, it happens or it doesn't). the quotes around 'naturalized' aren't necessary. switched 'naturalized' and 'rejected' to make grammatical flow a little nicer to the reader. removed unecessary comma. changed 'informs' to 'alters', which is a little more pragmatic. added 'in a given society' unless that isn't the correct bounds for this definition. how do you feel about this new one? JoeSmack Talk(p-review!) 04:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
P.S. I really enjoyed your user page. ;)
Due to no objections I am implimenting this sentence. JoeSmack Talk(p-review!) 19:22, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] definitions of hegemony

seems to me the definition to date fails to account for non-national hegemony - where, for example, is mention of the ideological hegemony that is capitalism? this isn't an american hegemony tho america is the greatest force in it and produces great cultural effects through it. the EU, cited as a competing hegemony with the US is part of a greater capitalist hegemon as is china and russia and india and just about anywhere outside of north korea and myanmar. even countries living in near autarky are respondent to - almost governed by - the external forces of capitalism. the oil regime and iran or venezuala for example. capitalism as the only present hegemony, led culturally and legally and militarily by the US. discuss.

[edit] POV addition

i reverted this passage from the article:

The catholic church is the greatest example of hegemony in the history of the world. They have trampled and killed off any other race, culture, religion which disagreed with them. Reducing some entire civilizations to nothing but a few pieces of pottery. They enslaved and tortured people in order to make them submit.They attempted near genocide of the Muslim population during the crusades. With extreme violence,money, and about a thousand years of propaganda they have convinced a serious amount of the population that the world is only 4,000-6,000 years old which is preposterous. And though modern science proves them wrong on every point it has become such an inbred disease that many unfortunate souls believe such garbage. Adolf Hitler commended them with highest praise for their unshakable foundation. He called his empire the Third Reich after the Roman Catholic church (being the First Reich)and patterned his use of propaganda with what he learned from them. The Roman Catholic Church made the first ever recorded account of propaganda when They planted a piece of wood to be found later and falsely claimed to be part of the Jesus crucifix.Their history is filled with atrocities against humanity from the crusades to the Spanish Inquisition to the Salem witch trials yet no one questions their history their present state or how they came to be so powerful. The Vatican has more gold art and money than some small countries and while poeple starve the world over they do nothing. So I ask how much gold would Jesus horde. Their presence and influence is second to none.Many people from all countries, religions, and backgrounds get married every single day yet they believe they own the institution of marriage and deny certain groups from getting married. This to me is a major hate crime but no one would dare question the so called word of God. this is ridiculous this is unbelievable this is hegemony at it's finest.

it feels extreme POV to me, talk it out here if you feel differently. JoeSmack Talk 05:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


I removed the following passage.

Today's most dominant hegemony is constituted of the dominant classes of the United States, consisting of the more powerful politicians and government bureaucrats, international corporations, and military. This hegemony is maintained by global media corporations (such as Time-Warner, Newscorp, etc), by international trade agreements and financial institutions (such as the WTO and the World Bank), and by military and monetary support given to other states by the United States government.

Seems like extreme POV, but correct me if I'm wrong. Ichibani 16:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The above is non-NPOV, but I think that removing it outright is a little extreme. There is a certain amount of American hegemony in the world today. SirBob42 18:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I personally agree that there is considerable American hegemony. However, this statement is definitely very vindictive and contains almost no objective information; rewording it could not remove the POV, which is portrayed by the choice of information. The paragraph that this one was after ("Since the end of the Cold War...") would no doubt benefit from elaboration on how America is a hegemony (or at least a pointer to the source discussing it), particularly with a solid source. Ichibani 02:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
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