Talk:Headbutt

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[edit] Definition of Butt

There are some terminological improvements that could be made. As far as I understand it, a hit with the head (or horns) is a "butt", and a "headbutt" is when you "butt" someone else's head.--Malcohol 17:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this comment. We need to be careful about moving definitions here. A "butt" is a blow struck with the head - just as a "punch" is a blow with a fist and a "kick" is a blow with the foot/leg. A "headbutt" is thus a blow TO the head. Probably, Zidane's action should be considered a "butt to the chest" or conceiveably a "chest-butt".

ref: [1], [2]

This guy [3] seems to feel differently. He calls what Zidane did a "classic forward head butt" CynicalMe 18:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think a journalist is the definative source on this one. However two reputable sources do seem divided on the issue [4] [5] Timb0h 09:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Content of article

This reads a bit too much like a guide on how to headbutt. Perhaps a mention of the criminality and potential fatality of headbutts is warranted Timb0h 08:23, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make whatever changes you feel are needed. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in! (Although there are some reasons why you might like to…) The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome.--digital_me(TalkˑContribs) 17:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes I may do it myself, if I get around to doing the research involved. Timb0h 11:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Content of article

I also think a section on headbutts in the animal world would be a worthy addition to the page Timb0h 11:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The usage of Zidane's headbutt incident's photograph is questionable

Hi! Firstly, I have to say that my expreience with Wikipedia has been pleasant and fantastic.

Anyways, coming to the point, I believe that the use of Zidane's headbutting incident's photograph to illustrate a "headbuut on the chest" is highly objectionable. It first and foremost seems like a slander onto Zidane, then puts forth an incident that is under investigation in the public realm and finally sets a bad precedent for youngsters who will be reading the article. So, in accordance with Wiki's policies and my personal opinions on the issue, I have removed the picture. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.184.9.255 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to point out to you Wikipedia is not censored. Use of the photo is not slander, and I'd advise you to read up on what slander actually is. The investigation is into what Materazzi said—not about whether or not the headbutt occured, which it obviously did. So, I've restored the photograph.--digital_me(TalkˑContribs) 22:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that the use of this photo is relevant to the article. Afterall, the focus of the article is not on the Zidane incident but the very broad action of headbutting. Zidane's is not the only headbutt and I feel like the addition of the photo is merely a reaction to the current event. It may be appropriate to link to the photo after the incident was mentioned under the soccer headbutting section. --CBenway
If you can find a better image of a headbutt, then please, by all means, replace the image of Zidane. Right now, however, it's the best image that could be found, and it *does* demonstrate a headbutt quite effectively.--digital_me(TalkˑContribs) 00:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Given the fact that yes, this article is NOT about Zidane or what happened, it is not slander. The younger people who are reading Wikipedia in 5 years will not even remeber who Zidane was, let alone how controvercial his headbutt is. As far as the younger people now, it will teach them that sometimes people get angry, even their idols, and in Zidane's case, this is what happened. It might teach everone a lesson, actually. --Shimatenshi
Do keep the Zidane photo. Wikipedia doesn't always have to use some dry, years-old example that would offend least. The Zidane incident will be the first thing millions think of when they hear "head-butt" for years, so it is a highly appropriate example. Plumsforsale 15:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Either keep the Zidane photo in or delete the reference to the photo later down. Keep it consistent. (AOMA)
The Zidane incident is a perfect example of a headbutt from a technical POV. We should keep it. CynicalMe 23:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
While I have no problem with the use of that photo for the reasons stated, I don't think it is a very good technical example. As has been said before, and as confirmed by various reputable dictionaries, a butt is made with the head, a headbutt is made with the head to the head. So the photo is not actually a headbutt, but just a butt. Timb0h 08:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
See my above comment on the technical aspect and the article I linked to (top of page). CynicalMe 18:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Some people are currently close to violating the Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. Please stop the Wikipedia:Edit war. Timb0h 13:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I though a headbutt made possibly in boxing or wrestling, but since it's a very high-profile headbutt we can keep it.--JForget 20:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I cannot think of a more famous headbutt... Can we please put the picture back in?--Greasysteve13 07:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

The image image:Zidane_headbut.jpg is copyrighted and only allowed under fair use. If you think the image can be allowed please add rationale to image:Zidane_headbut.jpg --Clawed 07:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
This is fair use.--Greasysteve13 09:05, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Headbutts in Horseracing

Having an entire section on this incident seems silly. I think the reference should be moved into another section or perhaps deleted altogether as not particularly relevant. (I guess I support the last option, though not strongly.) Your thoughts? Grandmasterka 07:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems to be a bit of recentism here. Have the two most famous headbutts only just happened withen the last month? I am of the opinion that this headbutt is not notable and should not be in the article. --Clawed 11:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Headbutts and the BBFC

I know headbutts on film are of concern to the BBFC, and whether they classify to PG or 12, but I can't seem to find anything specific in their guidelines to source it. Anyone willing to help? --90.240.34.177 01:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

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