Talk:Hayley Westenra

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Try and see if you can expand the lead to more than one paragraph per WP:LEAD. You've got some thing well-referenced, but try and see if you can get the rest sourced...plange 01:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
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If it wasn't for the fact that I own a copy of the Live in NZ DVD, I would have no idea what "busking" means. And the context of the article doesn't exactly explain it either. I'm going to add a parenthetical to better explain it to those who are unfamiliar with the term. Also I'm going to remove the following bolded statement: "It became the fastest selling debut album in the history of the UK classical charts, beating the record of child soprano prodigy Charlotte Church". I see it as unnecessary, and it's probably best that her direct competitor not be mentioned in the article. It's kind of like saying that they're equals, when fans of both would probably disagree. This is another one of those things where there are two similar artists, and the fans of one probably don't like the other artist or their fans a whole lot. The classic example is The Beatles vs. The Rolling Stones. Or outside of the music realm, Ford vs. Chevy. Once you get connected to one, you feel like you're betraying them even if you just try out the other. If you think I'm crazy, feel free to put it back. :-)

She may, or may not be, good as a singer. Who has decided that she is a "classical " singer - or perhaps the comparison with Charlotte Church is a give away. I have come across her CDs in the classical section of record stores, but I can see no basis for this.

There are other singers who arguably have greater claim to be classical - for example Summer - whose CDs seem like popular/crossover material, but she is known to be a classically trained singer.

I wish people wouldn't misuse what has until the last few years been a reasonably easy to use word "classical". Crossover is not classical, and to say that a CD features in the classical charts because some marketing person or commercial organisation has decided is manifestly nonsense. Classic FM, to name one influence, has done us no favours by distorting our notions of what is/is not classical music. David Martland 22:06, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

According to Decca Music Group's offical web page she is a crossover. (Decca is a classical lable and that is why she is sometimes considered "Classical."

Also on the album is Pokarekare Ana, a New Zealand love song which has enduring popularity.

Isn't that only on the special edition of the album? Crusadeonilliteracy 03:08, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I'm not sure. It's certainly on the one I listened to (partly). Check out http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000B17QZ/202-5719576-8691052// Cheers Moriori 07:35, Mar 5, 2004 (UTC)

Pokarekare Ana is on the us version see Pure for more info. Andrew D White 23:15, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Bio info was gathered from links on hayleywestenra.com Andrew D White 23:15, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Just a poll over how we should spell NZ's Prime Minister's name. Clark or Clarke?

I have seen evidence to support each side of this argument. The Govement of NZ spells it Clark but many NZ web pages spell it Clarke like hayleywestenra.com. Since this is a page about hayley shouldn't we spell the prime minister's name like she does(or at least how her website spells it)? Andrew D White 02:57, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

No, the PM's name is Clark and we should use the correct spelling throughout. Lisiate 22:50, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Caption madness

I don't think I've ever written "LOL" unironically before but: Hayley Westenra Promotional Picture featuring Hayley laying on her side in the grass looking to her left (the picture's upper right). ...LOL. Don't you think this is kinda overkill as a caption, considering that we can actually see the picture? I don't there's much possibility that we'll misunderstand what "her left" means, not that it matters. rodii 20:58, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

I over captioned it for the visually impared. Andrew D White 23:12, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough… probably a little more detail than the picture is really worth though. Sorry for seeming to laugh at you, it just struck me as funny. Nothing personal. rodii
I guessed as much, but it was fairly humourous in the context of Wikipedia, where image captions aren't usually over-captioned. I've removed it now. If we do want such descriptions, they're probably better off on the image description pages. — Matt Crypto 22:24, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sourcing

I think that this is sourced enough now.... except for the parts that I have no clue where they were retrieved/may be opinions. They either need to be sourced by their authors or they will be removed. Andrew D White 03:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adding source

Can someone please add the source, regarding the Unicef song in duet with Morten Harket of a-ha and Hayley Westenra. Here it is: http://www.unicef.org/girlseducation/denmark_25858.html

( I don't know how you add the sources )

[edit] Answer

For your future references it is done this way: <ref name=unicef1>UNICEF Offical Web Site http://www.unicef.org/girlseducation/denmark_25858.html</ref> the <ref> tag is required and name is the name in which you will refer to it later in the document so that it doesn't create a new entry every time for the same source. The rest of it is what your source is. Andrew D White 06:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed unsourced material

I feel that we need to source all material on the page. I have removed all unsourced material to here since no one has sourced it and I cannot find sources for them. It can be returned whenever you source it. Andrew D White

[edit] Removed Material

She is sometimes referred to as a "young female Josh Groban".

The autumn saw several more solo concerts, mainly in the UK, and a UK Christmas tour called "Christmas Presence" is to follow in December.

In addition to her musical talent, Westenra has become noted for her kind and good nature. She frequently meets her fans after performances and is usually very good about signing autographs and conversing. In fact the title "diva" simply makes her break out into gales of laughter.

(this is kinda back in I found a source that said something simular see the newer version of the article. Andrew D White 01:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC))


 She is not abandoning her solo career, however, as a third international album is being recorded for release sometime in 2007. On November 25th 2006 she sang the New Zealand National Anthem at the Millenium Stadium in Cardiff prior to kick off for the Wales verses New Zealand rugby match.

[edit] Material to add baised upon peer reviews

  • name of journalist with CTV
  • Good pictures of Hayley that are Creative commons or simurarly licensed pictures (if anyone has any good pictures of her that you have taken and don't mind donating to the cause, feel free to post a link to the file)
  • expand charities section
  • rewrite international success section to flow better and feel less like a "trivia" section
  • as article expands expand intro

Andrew D White 06:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Fail

  • Her first albulm, spelling mistake
  • who has released two successful albums, succesful is NPOV, remove it
  • She became an international star at the age of 16., sixteen, when mentioning age write it out don't put a number
  • References go after full-stops and commas, with no space
  • UK Pop Chart, surely theres a wikilink for that but its named different
  • which was aired on NBC on December 18, remove 'was'
  • Official Website with some streaming samples and other features, just put Official website
  • Noteable Tours and Concerts, merge this section into the body, when you talk about 2004, mention the 'Pure' tour.
  • plans are in place for the release of a third international solo album in March 2007, put that in the body where you speak about 2007
  • 5th of September 2006, should be September 5, 2006
  • On 20 February, should be February 20
  • in the lead this section is choppy, 'She became an international star at the age of 16. Hayley is the fastest-selling debut classical artist to date[2]. She is also a philanthropist and donates much of her time and money to charities, such as UNICEF.' it switches subject each sentence with no flow
  • Images need fair use rationale
  • Westenra was virtually unknown worldwide until she landed a contract with, remove virtually

The article needs a good copy-edit. Feel free to re-nominate once these issues have been addressed. M3tal H3ad 06:43, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I am crossing the above out as I feel they have been addressed. I had to copy-edit your critique as you had a typo. Please note that dating in this format is acceptable (Europeans write the day before the month as where Americans do not). [1] Andrew D White 17:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Please check Wikipedia:manual of style dates
  • As per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates), dates shouldn't use th; for example, instead of using January 30th was a great day, use January 30 was a great day. M3tal H3ad 01:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I think I have found all dates in this format and fixed them to be within the manual of style. If I have missed any feel free to fix them Andrew D White 01:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I have done a bit of a copy-edit as suggested. At this point the article makes sense to me as I read it. I have hopefully made the lead flow better. Andrew D White 05:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Misltitled track on Celtic Treasure

I just realised that they wrote The Mummer's Dance instead of The Mummers' Dance. I wonder who's to blame - Decca or Hayley? --77.105.45.127 00:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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