Talk:Hawkwind discography
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[edit] Categorisations
For the first cut of this page, here's the reasons for some of the debatable categorisations:
- Hawkwind In Your Area is in the Studio albums section as it contains new studio material, despite the fact that half of it is new live performances of previously recorded songs. It is, in that respect, similar in nature to Pink Floyd's Umma Gumma.
- Spacebrock is in the Studio albums section as it was released under the name Hawkwind and it does contain studio material. However, the lack of contributors would suggest that that this is in fact a Dave Brock solo album. Further more, the material it contains does seem have been pulled from across the years, going as far back as 1978 in the case of Life Form
- Take Me To Your Future is in the Studio albums section because the audio side contains new studio material. But is this really a proper studio album, given that the audio side contains remixes and promos from a forthcoming release?
- For me, I'd put "Take me to your future" alongside "The Earth Ritual Preview" - not a full album - I know it has more tracks, but there is only two new tracks from a project that may or may not happen (like The Earth Ritual!) --C Hawke 16:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Drwhawkfan 22:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
This is great, what we will have to do is decide how much Discography to leave in the Hawkwind article itself because that could be trimmed. My personal opinion would be to trim the "archive" stuff out & the singles. If anyone's interested they can come here easy enough Megamanic 07:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the front page to show a summary of studio and live album recordings - we'll see what people think. I do think Chawke is right in that the opening paras need a rewrite. Drwhawkfan 18:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Naming
OK, some variance in opinion over Hawklords/25 Years On. I have always called this 25 Years On, it is what the band calls it on their Core List- yet some people who claim it is called "Hawklords" Ian Abrahams calls it "Hawklords" but adds "known on its first pressing as "25 Years On". My 1989 Virgin CD calls it "25 Years On" and next time I am in the loft I will check my vinyl copy. Starfarer says "Often (erroneously?) referred to as "25 Years On"". We do need to make the entry reflect what people call it, and what CD companies will list it as (if it ever officially re-issued)--C Hawke 08:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Just noticed what is said on the Hawklords page - I think that whilst it may have been decided by the band to call it Hawklords at the time, common usage, loads of listings, and the band themselves now, call it "25 Years On" so this should be addedd to the discography page.--C Hawke 16:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I need to go look at my vinyl copy too but I think there's a bit of revisionism going on because Hawkwind renamed themselves as the Hawklords in 1978 so what was "25 Years On" by "The Hawklords" is being brought in to the Hawkwind family (initially) as "Hawklords" by "Hawkwind" & now "25 years On" is making a comeback. Anyway, I'm pleased it's in the canonical listing because I like it a lot - I think the Charisma years were very underrated c/f "Space Ritual" era. Different, not for everyone but still very good - and a good place to start bringing on "post punks" - give them "Quark" or "Hawklords" to listen to & it usually puts them on the road to redemption :) Megamanic 01:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems apparent to me now that vinyl and CD reissues reverted back to it's original name, so you're probably right to change the listing. BTW, you really should get your vinyl collection out of the loft and get yourself a decent turntable (and don't let your wife tell you otherwise). Drwhawkfan 08:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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- No room mate - even the CDs are going in the loft soon - everything safely copied to PC. Large chunks of my vinyl was second hand and not too good quality. Anyway, I've tweaked both this page and the 25 Years On page - I've added a bit about the band name being Hawklords for legal reasons - I haven't cited a reference (Should I?) but it is from Ian Abrahams book. I'll change the Hawklords page to reflect this source when I get home and have the full details in front of me. I'll also (for interest) dig out Kris Tait's book and see what terms she was using in the mid-80s for both LP and band, it will be interesting (to me anyway) to see when the band switched back to 25 Years On --C Hawke 10:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok, in Kris's 1983 biog she calls it Hawkords - the discography in the back (from Brian Tawn) has it as Hawklords - 25 Years On. Interestingly, he also list the 2nd LP as X In Search of Space - a name I hae seen before - again,the original vinyl is in the loft, so not checkable.--C Hawke 20:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Trivia and questions
Other entries for bands do have snippets of trivia. Could we not add some? For example does anyone know why the High Rise on the CD version is a different version to the original vinyl or if it is true that the DOJO version of WOTEOT was recorded at the wrong speed? --C Hawke 08:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Add as much verifiable trivia as you wish, everyone else has and will. Presumably masters have been mislaid, smoking too much herb and forgetting where they put them, no doubt. I have the Warrior CD, I don't think it's the wrong speed, but haven't listened to it for years 'cos I find it dull. Drwhawkfan 08:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Well that makes two of us (who don't think it is the wrong speed) I have had, in order a pre-recorded cassette, bootleg cassette, vinyl and the DOJO CD of Warrior, so I would think if the DOJO one was at a drastically wrong speed I'd of noticed. I think I will remove this from the entry - I flagged it as citation required months back, but nothing has been added. Apart from the Moorcock speaches, I actually think it is a great LP! --C Hawke 11:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Member pages
For info, I have created stubs for both Alan and Harvey with basic stuff from Sonic Assassins (the book) but both could do with expanding. I've also added a re-direct from Huw Lloyd-Langton to the correct unhyphenated page, as many entries have the hyphenated name - can we remove these when we see them?--C Hawke 20:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Huw and Marion's surname is Lloyd-Langton - www.huwlloyd-langton.co.uk. Drwhawkfan 08:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh and a Sonic Assassins Stub --C Hawke 20:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] vinyl
Out of interest, what was the last one issued on vinyl and the first to be release on CD at the same time as vinyl? - the last vinyl I bought was Space Bandits, but I am sure others followed.--C Hawke 20:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Good Articles
I was looking at the quality scale used for albums & I reckon just about all of the 1970's albums are now either of "Good article" quality or extremely close. Should we nominate them & if so, how? Megamanic 08:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
