Talk:Hawaiian schools admission policies
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Obviously, this article needs a lot of work. In its present state it still looks like its only raison d'être is POV pushing against Kamehameha Schools. Editors are advised to re-read the Wikipedia NPOV guideline, in particular the part about our job as editors being to characterize disputes, not re-fight them. --IslandGyrl 20:09, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
- Are there particular edits you would suggest to make it a more NPOV? My thought is that we can use this as a collection for historical and current admissions policies, and do it in such a way that it is factually accurate...again, this article is really just a placeholder for information that was removed off of other pages since it was considered POV pushing - there is obviously a lot more info needed here.
I personally attend Kamehameha (Posting from here right now) and from my understanding (and what we are taught) is that Hawaiian Blood is not a REQUIREMENT but more of a guideline. The admissions policy is to give PREFERENCE to those of part or full native blood. Basically if all applications of those with part or full native blood do not meet the requirements it is then open to those that are non-Hawaiian. Although this situation is highly unlikely it did occur on Maui Campus which allowed a non-Hawaiian to attend Kamehameha. Maybe this should be including in the article :-\ :--Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.63.137.150 (talk • contribs) 20:13, 8 September 2005.
- The Kamehameha school policy might be defensible (hey, what private individuals do with their own money is their business, is my basic opinion), but to claim that it's just a "preference", and not a "requirement" is laughable. It walks and quacks like a duck, ergo it's a duck. Noel (talk) 03:54, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
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- I think that the situation that occurred on the maui campus raised such an uproar, and the trustees were held to such ire, that no matter what they claim the policy is, they work incredibly hard to make sure that not a single person who doesn't have a drop of kanaka blood in. Making something so "highly unlikely" that it never happens still effectively never. This seems like having a "preference" for men, and allowing women in when no male applicants can be found, and once one is, doing everything you can to keep that woman out. The other rather controversial aspect is the lack of a lower limit to the blood quantum requirement, so that someone who is 7 generations removed from 1778, and has only 0.39% kanaka blood can get in, but someone without that "drop" can't. They may look the same, have the same cousins, the same culture, but one is privileged and the other is not.
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- A question to the Kamehameha School student though - if they do let in Mohica-Cummings, do you think he will be welcomed there or reviled there? They seem to be fighting tooth and nail to keep him out...it may have been more gracious for them to let him attend while the courts sorted it out.
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- --JereKrischel 05:51, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
JereKrischel I know you by reputation from live journal. It is definitely a preference. But Kamehameha is not saying that Hawaiians better be the only ones attending the schools but rather that until the education gap (and there is a prominent one) is corrected, Hawaiians should have preference. Kamehameha exists to correct an education gap that began for many reasons. Kamehameha is trying to remedy a social problem that seems inherent to Hawaiians. I applaud them for taking responsibility for their own race and trying to use their own money to help themselves. What do you think? -Keopu Reelitz (User:147.126.95.146)
- Unfortunately, as appealing as the idea sounds to "remedy" the social problem of poor education in general amongst kanaka maoli, using race as a factor introduces several problems. 1) how do you determine the "gap" has been corrected, and if it has, how do you eliminate the entrenched racism; 2) kanaka maoli are not in fact, the worst off in Hawaii (that honor goes to the filipinos) - shouldn't we be working to close the biggest gap?; 3) Kamehameha schools actually serves as a institution primarily for those kanaka maoli not in danger of poor education. The student body is predomiantly "toenail" hawaiian, with a majority of their ethnicity being some other race - and their high test requirements for admission filters out the kanaka maoli most in need. I decry anyone who thinks that our responsibilities lie with "our own race", since in the end, our race is all human. --JereKrischel 15:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to sound like a deletionist, but is this page really necessary? The admission policies of each school can easily be discussed on each school's respective article (and, in the case of the public schools, in the DOE article). While I admit it would be interesting to compare the admission policies of each school together, it doesn't seem notable enough to me to warrant its own encyclopedia article. And, in its current form, the page looks like it is pushing POV against Kamehameha and Punahou; at the very least, this page needs to be "completed," so to speak. 青い(Aoi) 06:48, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- You're probably right Aoi, if I'm not mistaken, the original impetus for this page was to remove the discussion from the schools - I'm all for deletion. I think actually pulling together the information to make this article complete would violate "no original research", but I've always been fuzzy on that tenet. --JereKrischel 15:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
In case the page sticks around, I have been bold and added links to each of the applicable school's admission pages in order to provide a semblance of cited information to start from. --Pkarjala 21:10, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Opinions on color blind society
It's interesting enough that a new push for a colorblind America has come to a new peak. It's also interesting that the majority of people pushing for a colorbling America are white. It's easy to say "let's have a meritocracy" when you're already on top with all the merit. It's quite convenient. Also, if you look at KS's preschools they have started to admit non-Hawaiians. I think this is a great way to show that a remedy is starting to work at that level. Just because measuring something is difficult, it does not mean that a remedy doesn't need to exist. Also, in case you haven't noticed, racism is entrenched in our country's most basic insititutions. What are we doing to avoid that? I think it's a white way of thinking to believe that everyone is equal and race has never and will never matter. This is of course how Manifest Destiny began right? Making everyone equal because one is entitled by God? Helping others to become like you because it's a right? I agree that the education gap should be lessened for all races and socio-economic levels. This is of course why I support Teach for America (who by the way is setting up a partnership with the DOE, for hopefully the next school year). But I don't think we can give them such a big responsibility. Let Hawaiians help themselves out. What are you really missing out? Punahou is a better school with better opportunities...of course with less of an endowment (but that's just coincidence right?). How is the KS admissions policy harming you? -Keopu Reelitz (User:147.126.95.145)
- Hey Keopu, I think we should take this discussion somewhere else. We're getting off topic regarding how to make this, or any other article better. --JereKrischel 22:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
