User talk:Hardyplants

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[edit] Mullein

Indeed... it's more a pasture and garden problem than a cultivated field problem. In general though, discussion of weed controls on wikipedia are kept to a minumum. If you're interested in the topic, however, I'm looking for collaborators on the wikibooks versions of these articles; see b:Category:Weed_profiles for the ones I've worked on so far. --SB_Johnny|talk|books 14:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tepal

Hi Hardyplants. Can I ask about your edits to the page on tepals? The description that you added on 11 December, titled "clean up and clarify" seems to be at odds with the usual definition of a tepal. Do you have links to any material which supports your definition? Thanks. Owl 14:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

>Can you be more specific about what you are questioning, I listed two sources on 'additional reading'

The first paragraph of your article refers to tepals as a specific feature of the Magnoliaceae. This is at conflict with several sources online, as well as the previous version of the article on Wikipedia. I don't have access to a library at the moment, so I can't check the books you've referenced. I happen to have "Plants: Diversity and Evolution" (Ingrouille and Eddie, Cambridge University Press, 2006) here, however. It is definitely referring to tepals in plants other than magnolias. I find the previous version of the article (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tepal&oldid=91340499) to be clearer and more consistent with how other sources seem to be using the word. Perhaps you would like to view that version, and clarify the text as it stands (which is basically your version, I've just tidied up the styling a bit. Oh, and just to note - could you post on my talk page, not my user page, please? I have moved the conversation across. Thanks. Owl 17:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't produce the first part but brought it up from the original start of the article. Keep in mind that Magnolia is the proposed fist flowering plant line. I do not believe any modern Magnolia corresponds the first of its kind. I will look at the article and move the first section- since you are right that its a meaning that is rarely used and should not be at the beginning. Hardyplants 17:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I still think the earlier version sounds clearer and more authoritative. Please don't be offended, but can I ask if English is your first language? Perhaps we should start with the previous version (link in my post above). What do you think is wrong with that as it stands? If we add back in the paragraph about evolution, do you think that is a fair description of a tepal? Owl 17:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. I saw your new edits - it was clearer than before, but I'm afraid I still didn't think it was as coherent and clear as I'd expect of an encyclopaedia. I've taken the liberty of editing the page myself. I've started from the earlier version, and tried to add in everything that I thought you were saying. Have a look, and if you think I've missed something that you said, let me know. Thanks. Owl 15:26, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, Hardyplants. Someone who wasn't logged in, at IP 209.244.187.83, reverted to your version of the Tepal article. Was this you? I must say I disagree with the revert. If you stand by your version of the article, I would like to take it to the Mediation Cabal, to get a third opinion. Thanks. Owl 22:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Embryonic

Hi Hardyplants - Thanks for your productive editing! I came across the page you had started on Embryonic, where you changed it from a redirect to Embryo. There's already quite a good page on plant development (Plant embryogenesis); maybe you could add some of your information to that? It seems to me that Embryonic should go back to forwarding to Embryo, which touches both plant and animal development. What do you think? Cheers, Figma 19:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Acanthomintha duttonii

Why did you remove the references from the lead paragraph of Acanthomintha duttonii? Mike Dillon 23:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for leaving the references in for your second pass. I think your changes to the lead paragraph have improved readability. Mike Dillon 00:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Two things. First, please be more careful with stray line breaks; they make it hard to use the "history" tab to see what has been done to an article by making inline changes look like entire paragraphs were removed. Second, what are you doing with the "[4]" stuff instead of the original references? Were they meant to refer to the Jepson manual? I've assumed that was the case and restored the "ref" syntax. Mike Dillon 02:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Your image upload includes statements that the image is copyrighted by the photographer. Has it been released by him? Or what? Great photo, though. KP Botany 03:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Looks like it was taken from here. The copyright statement is for non-commercial use ("personal or academic") and requires attribution. The original image uploaded by User:Anlace was incorrectly tagged with a Creative Commons license (unless Anlace is actually John Game and relicensed it himself or was granted a separate license). Also, the image on the CalPhotos site is higher resolution and would be a better source for User:Hardyplants's enlargement than the one uploaded by Anlace. This discussion might be more suited for another talk page... Mike Dillon 04:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Wherever the discussion belongs the image must be removed immediately. KP Botany 14:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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