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[edit] Conversation conclusion
  • No site shall be frivolously added to the External links section, or the prose of the article, without either discussing it on the talk page first or asserting its notability through referencing with verifiable and reliable sources. A comment, using the <!-- and --> markers will be inserted into the markup of the article to alert editors, but not readers.
  • A site shall appear in the External links section only if it is mentioned in the article. As per WP:EL, no external links shall appear in the prose of the article. This will show that all external links have their notability proven, because in order for it to appear in the article it must be well-referenced.
  • Fan sites with Wikipedia articles have already had their notability proven through the fact that they do have articles, and if this is disagreed with they should be sent to WP:AfD. These fan sites shall be listed in the See also section and the URLs of their web sites will also appear in the external links section.
  • In general, the mention of fan sites throughout the article shall be kept to a minimum. Any attempt to mention a fan site in the prose only to have its URL appear in the external links section will be reverted.

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As one of several folks who worked hard to try and get some sort of notability standard for this article, I'm happy to have you blow our work up and implement this standard as it is much easier to enforce. Furthermore, when you rejig this section, may I recommend that you change the title from "External links" to "References"? That way, it makes it more clear that any links to fan sites must have been mentioned in the article first. --Deathphoenix ʕ 21:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, I'm just happy to blow your hard work to smitherings! ;-) Since the whole article was in desperate need of a rewrite anyway, I decided it would be best just to start a new draft of the page, working to enforce the policy above. I've started it at Talk:Harry Potter fandom/Rewrite and was able to work on the top two sections of the page, fan sites and conventions. However, I don't feel experienced enough in the fan fiction world or the RPG world to contribute well enough in revising those sections, though I'm happy to cover podcasts and possibly music later. Anybody want to work on it?--Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c 05:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The list of conventions seems a little much (and it certainly doesn't need a list of "future conventions"). That's just my opinion, though, I'd like to hear from more folks before I shrink that list down. --Deathphoenix ʕ 16:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree it's a little long, just wanted to put them out there for possible removal, rather than omit them and leave it incomplete. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 00:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Harry Potter fandom/Rewrite

I'll just make it plain and clear: anybody who thinks they can write a well-sourced, NPOV entry on roleplaying and/or wizard rock and/or "iconic landmarks tours" (the tours of the sets, Edinburgh, etc.), be my guest! I can write them, but it would be a lot more work since I'd really have to go search for sources to write it from scratch, rather than using my own knowledge and hunting down sources to cite with. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 06:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conventions should be held to Web site standards

The conventions listed in the external links should be held to the same standards as for the web sites: if they're mentioned by J.K. Rowling (possibly as some sort of "winner"), then they'd be worthy for inclusion. Otherwise, we should not be providing these conventions with free advertising (and certainly not for the future events). Thoughts? -Deathphoenix ʕ 15:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

As I said above, I agree -- I just wanted to be wholesome over uninclusive so that we could remove rather than add. I'd say, of the two, Accio and Lumos were the most notable -- the latter drawing 12000 people, I believe, and due to the attendance of PotterCast and MuggleCast. Rowling herself hasn't talked about any, but at least one should be mentioned, methinks. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 18:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I know, I just wanted to write this down before I do it myself. I'll delete all but Accio and Lumos. --Deathphoenix ʕ 21:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More on Fansites...

What's up with the total lack of any proper information on fansites? You've got a big section on Podcasts, Ship Wars and Conventions, yet only small bio's of the main Harry Potter sites. Much as you hate to link to other potentially smaller sites, fansites are the very essence of Harry Potter fandom, and the fact that 99.9% of them aren't even going to et a mention is a travesty. You're ending up repeating yourselves in all the sections. It would be easier to have a short Bio of Mugglenet, HPANA, TLC and VTM, and then a little on 'The Work of other Sites'. As a webmaster and author of a book on Harry Potter fandom, i'm well placed to suggest that this article is ignorant to the true heart of Harry Potter fandom. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NickHilton1 (talk • contribs) 20:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

I'd hardly call the Podcasts nor the Conventions section big, and the ship wars section is large because of the attention it received in the press and by Rowling. The fan sites section mentions all the winners of the fan site award, which makes them the most notable fan sites. If there's another notable source about another fan site, it may be added, but getting into biographies of the fan sites (their history, specialties, etc.) either belongs on the individual article page (like MuggleNet) or not on Wikipedia at all for bordering on WP:WEB guidelines. Incidentally, what's your book, it may be helpful in citing the article? --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 16:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Also, as you'll see above, the article is undergoing a rewrite. Feel free to contribute your suggestions, but know that it may not be agreed upon per the conversation conclusion above. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 16:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok. My books called FANORAMA: The Birth of Harry Potter Fandom, you can find out more at http://rahponline.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NickHilton1 (talk • contribs) 18:16, Jan 21, 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Songvids

I don't think that fan videos, or "songvids" as they are known, merit mention in this article. It is not a remarkable aspect of the fandom, and I'm questioning what action to take on the article songvid itself -- between clean-up tags and AfD. It doesn't seem too notable yet, and a page of YouTube search results is, as far as I know, not a valid source, though do correct me if I'm wrong. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 20:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Status Passed

I must be honest. I was real leary upon seeing the title of this article. I have been duly impressed, however. Based on the criteria at WP:WIAGA, this article passes good article criteria with flying colors. All articles should be so well written, so well referenced, and have such good free images. I would recommend a possible nomination for feature status, though the voting process there may get contentious given the "crufty" nature of this article. I would vote for this article as a featured article as well, so take that into consideration. Good job! --Jayron32|talk|contribs 03:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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