Talk:Harp Seal
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The Harp seals are dying because of the hunters killing them and I like harp seals,they are so cute, cuddly, soft, snow white, and have black eyes and the hunters kill them before they can hit them with what ever they have in there hands.The harp seals look at them with their cute watermelon eyes and cry.When the hunters see that they just kill them for nothing. They take harp seals fur off just to make clothing and that stuff to do with that and harp seals don’t harm no body,they keep to there self and it’s not like harp seals go up to them and start biting them they don’t do that to people like us they just play around with their parents and call it a day but do you know how many harp seals they have killed for my opinion more then 10 million harps for my opinion but they killed a lot of harp If you just watch the video tape you will see how it feals to see that it makes me sad to see that harp seal die they just leave them for dead but I would not do that because they don’t want any one to go in there home or car and kill there child. Now just if you think about it for one moment just one sad moment Јand your self in there shoes how does that make you feel sad or happy which one are you choosing because they need your help for real today right now just take no less than one minute and just put your self in there shoes man that makes me feel sad to here that not right the way they treat these Harp seals.
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[edit] I was going to revert the discussion, but read the paragraph first
Whomever wrote the previous piece sounds like a 4 year old with a learning disability. I was going to revert it but it is so dammed funny.
Harp seals are ding, lol Dying maybe. "I like harp seals they are so cute, cuddly, soft, snow white, and black eyes and the hunters kill them before they can hit them with what ever they have in there hands" Yeah, harp seals a) Have hands and b) can throw stuff at people with them. Pfft.
"cry and when the hunters see that they just kill them for nothing" I think they are crying because hunters are killing them. I think Harp Seals could care less about why they are being killed.
"They take harp seals furry off" Is that like a Chubby? If it is, I feel sorry for the seals.
"harp seals don’t harm no body they keep to they self and it’s not like harp seals go up to them and start biting them they don’t do that to people like us they just play around with their parents and call it a day" Call it a day LOL.
"but do you know how many harp seals they have killed for my opinion more then 10 million harps for my opinion" I see you are in the habit of using your opinion to calculate the amount of killed seals. In my opinion, grade 5 must have been the best 5 years of your life, for my opinion.
"but they killed a lot of harp If you just watch the video tape you will see how it fills to see that it makes me sad to see that harp seal die they just leave them for dead" A) Use periods and or semi-colons, you make no sense.
Anyway I think anyone would have a field day deconstructing that. --Kirkoconnell 16:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
That is kind of a weird paragraph, but regardless... It says "females 1-155 years old"...can someone correct that? I can't imagine what it was referring to...155 months? (too exact) 15 years with a double-typed 5?
I love harp seals. They are my most favorite animal ever. The hunter who kill them must be stopped. They skin them before they are even unconious and leave them to suffer after they shoot them
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- Oh man, this is better than the Mermaid talk page
[edit] Average can be up to...
Average lifespan for a harp seal can be up to 35 years.
Okay, does that sound mathematically curious to anyone else? - Eric 08:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Suggestions for expansion
Could something about their adaptations be added?
--Anonymous
what kind of loser goes to mermaid talk
Bob
[edit] so mean
It is soooo crule how people can kill those pups just for their fur
[edit] Re: Population
Not being an expert on the species, I would ask anyone who is to review this section of the article. If one population is genetically distinct from the other two major populations, does this suggest that there are at least two sub-species?
In any case, I found this section a little vague and not entirely clear as to the nature of the populations discussed. Otherwise the article itself looks so good I hestitate to make any but the most tiny edits for grammar, typos and the like.
One more note. Perhaps the discussion of the range of the harp seal should be updated to reflect such increases in contact as have been documented by CRESLI (Coastal Research and Education Society of Long Island)? See: CRESLI's Seal Page[1] for a brief mention of sightings as far south as Long Island, NY. Other linked sources also mention sighting as far south as coastal France. It seems unclear whether the increase in range is a result of reductions in the seal hunts or perhaps a result of the decline in fisheries the seals depend on for food. Also unresolved is the allocation of cause -- are the fisheries depleted by human overfishing or do (as some fishing interests claim) the seals also bear some of the responsiblity for declining populations?
As I've said, I'm far from an expert on these issues and would prefer to see an informed and well-balanced presentation of facts here, rather than supposition based just on what the various interests would like to believe. In that vein, acknowledgement of sources for the various points of view is probably essential.
--Ebbixx 23:16, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not much an expert in harp seals specifically either, however genetic distinction may not necessarily imply a subspecies. For mangement, groups may be divided into genetically distinct segements, but they may not be different enough to warrant calling them subspecies. Thus, for instance, Steller sea lions are clearly divided into a eastern and western stock (and a weaker division in the western stock into cetral west and Asian), but no one suggests they are different enough to be called subspecies. My experience is that individuals have to be morphologically distinct to be catagoriezed as subspecies (there are criteria in that article which may be different from actual practice, however).
- With regard to their conservation, I don't really know what the hypothesized causes of declines are. Usually there is a great deal of debate around such issues, so I would guess it is not clear cut, but I have no experience with this animal. --TeaDrinker 01:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- To Teadrinker -- If I've read the sources right, the suggestion seems to be that the overall populations of harp seals are actually on the increase, total population estimates somewhere around 200 million, if memory serves. While the most recent years have seen some recordbreaking hunts (20-30% more seals taken than in prior record high years, totaling perhaps as high as 100,000 in all three populations combined), in the late '90s the hunts apparently yielded far fewer individuals, but not necessarily because of any marked decline in population. Suggested factors in the decreased kills were increases in fuel and ammunition costs, and declines in the prices hunters could expect from sale of the pelts, possibly in part because of a lowered demand due to consumer sympathy for "cute creatures" and also some increased restrictions on marketing pelts. The last being especially the case for suckling "whitecoats" which are almost entirely 2 months old or younger.
- Where conservation concerns have been raised has been in illegal hunting of suckling individuals, these having a disproportionate impact on likely future populations and the ability of the populations to regenerate their losses from the hunts. This is, of course, assuming I've not misread the sources (mostly those cited in this article or in the citations of mostly conservation-minded organizations). —Ebbixx 15:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Life of a Harp Seal
Is this detailed explanation of the entie life cycle necessary? It also seems like it is quoted from an external source verbatim; are there copyright problems here? Makerowner 03:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup
This article is a mess. It looks like someone just took an article from somewhere else and pasted it at the end of the article that was there before. I haven't been able to find where it comes from though. Anyway, I think the whole section on the life cycle should be deleted. Makerowner 03:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and changed it actually. I removed all of 64.19.163.130's edits from 25 January, so it looks like a real article now. Makerowner 04:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
