Talk:Harold Roe Bartle
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[edit] NPOV?
- I think Scout Chief Bartle is worthy of a wikipedia entry, but the article needs to be rewritten from a neutral point of view - i.e. stating his achievements without going off into emotional hero-worship - this tone is present throught the article (e.g."Using the word "legend" may be an understatement when talking about Harold Roe Bennett Sturdevant Bartle"), but is especially strong and problematic in the conclusion - here is a selected quote:
<start quote> H. Roe Bartle served so many organizations and had so many honors and awards bestowed upon him during his lifetime that it boggles the mind... After everything I found and read about him, I concluded Chief Bartle was a towering example of what an American citizen should be. He deeply cared about his community, his fellow man and lived a life of extraordinary service to others. Maybe above all he genuinely cared about children. He had instilled in his Scouts for years that when your family, church, community or country called upon you that you fulfilled the call.... This giant of a man had a profound influence on many thousands of people that lasts to this day. He counted among his friends the high and mighty including U.S. President Harry Truman yet took the time to help the common man and his beloved Kansas City in so many ways. The legacy of his life and the wide ranging effects of it are almost immeasurable. In the Christmas movie, "It's A Wonderful Life," the angel Clarence said "Each man's life touches so many other lives...". His statement rings true above and beyond in the case of H. Roe Bartle. "Chief" Bartle lived and remains an almost mythical legend of scouting and perhaps of life. <end quote>
Is this text taken from a commemoration speech about the guy? Anyway, I thought it might be best to flag this article as NPOV, and allow a Scout Wikipedian to tone it down. Bwithh 21:32, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
The article reads like the book written by his daughter. Some of the text seems to have been lifted from it. This needs to be worked on. I have a copy of the book so I can cross reference it.
[edit] Move Content to Other Articles?
I also see a need to take some content out into seperate articles. Scouting in Kansas City, Bartle, and Mic-O-Say are virtually unseperatable. flyingember
- Actually, it came from an article by David Eby. http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/9426/lonebear.html As I understand it, the first version of this article pretty much copied that article, WITH PERMISSION. --Emb021 16:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Bartle had worked with scouts before Wyoming. This came from his biography. I fixed the wording to make this clearer. flyingember
- what bio? I don't recall reading that in either Jimmy's or David's. --Emb021 16:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Page 29 in Jimmy's book. There's an obvious typo where because=became. It's also referenced on page 41.
