Talk:Hare quota

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[edit] technically inferior

I corrected what i thought as undue criticism of Hare quota, and disregarding its use outside STV. Quite a few sources claim it, along Sainte-Lague, gives most proportional results (though Im personally sceptical that Sainte-Lague could give equally perfect proportionality to Hare quota), and thats hardly an unimportant advantage in comparison to Droop. It also seems to me to be equivalent to the most obvious definition of proportionality, i.e. that percentage of seats a party gets is equal, within the rounding margin of error, to the percentage of votes (since (Vp/Vt)*S=Vp/(Vt/S) Vp being votes a party won, Vt the total num of votes, and S the num of available seats). Seeing how precise STV methods get sofisticated and computationally intensive anyways, finding a quota that allocates as much places as possible prior to fractions and transfers doesnt seem like an important saving. Btw does anyone know more about QPQ method and its Swedish predecessor, and its (incredibly small?) computational intensity, and has any data on its proportionality?--Aryah 03:03, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] majority rule

I dont understand why such a fuss is made out of the fact that Hare quota can give a minority of seats to a majority of votes (btw it has a significantly smaller problem with this than Sainte-Lague) - giving more than 1/2 of the seats to a party of more than 1/2 of the votes is not mathematically more important (thus making it not a technical but a political flaw) than giving more than 1/3 of seats to a party of more than 1/3 of votes, or more than 1% of the seats to a party of more than 1% of the votes, and all of this cannot be simultaneously satisfied with the system of allocating the seats. It is not related to proportionality, but is a political demand - so it seems quite appropriate for it to be satisfied at the end of the calculation, by giving some premium seats to the majority party - an ad-hoc sollution to an ad-hoc problem. It certanly doesnt seem to be a sufficient reason to sacrifice superior proportionality throuought the calculation, that Hare ensures. Particulary not on such a way, as with Hagenbach-Bischoff quota needed for this majority rule ensurance, as to open the possibility of aditional bias of giving more seats to some constituancies than to others --Aryah 05:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The numbers in the example are too nice

Hello,

in the example there are 100 votes and 2 seats. The latter divides the first, making the example unrealistically simplistic. It would be more interesting to see how they deal with non integer fractions (it can be of importance!) Evilbu 13:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)