Talk:Hardial Bains

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[edit] Restoring deleted paragraph

I don't have a good feeling about this edit, in which Mista-X deleted:

Bains' personal politics became the driving force behind the CPC-ML, its ideological trajectory following his own: in the 1960s and 1970s, he and the party were Maoist; in 1978, following Mao's 1976 death, Bains became a supporter of the views of Enver Hoxha (an admirer of Stalin) and the Albanian Party of Labour.

with the rationale:

POV about Bains ppl can see part history for this info and come to own conclusions

Almost no readers will go through the history to find relevant information that might have been erased. You aren't contesting the accuracy of the information; if there's more information that would put it in context, please do add.

Since its deletion leaves the article with immensely less information about Bains' political progression – a pretty important in a biography of a political figure :) – I'm going to restore it to the main article now. If you feel it misrepresents anything, please add to or tweak it, or discuss it here? Thanks. Samaritan 10:28, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Party History

The whole reason I edited that Paragraph was because it is POV. If people want party history, they can look at the entry for Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) and come to their own conclusions.

This paragraph is ment only to suggest that CPC-ML is a cult and the members followed Bains every move like sheep. If you want to add a paragraph about Bains ideological changes, that's fine. But you have to back up your claims. If you want to talk about the party's ideological changes, put that in the entry of the party. But don't assume that the party's ideology changed because Bains woke up one morning and decided Hoxha is better than Mao. The party makes descisions as a collective, and always has.

Thanks,

--Mista-X 15:35, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Point well taken, so I've brought the information back referring only to Bains himself:

In the 1960s and 1970s, Bains was identified as a Maoist. By 1978, following Mao's 1976 death, Bains became a supporter of the views of Enver Hoxha and the Albanian Party of Labour, which were Stalinist.

I'm trusting the editor or editors who added this/let it stand earlier on factual accuracy; if any of this, referring to Bains rather than Bains and the party as a whole, is inaccurate or unrepresentative, I would of course support its amendment. Samaritan 16:11, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Stalinism"?

I don't much like Bains being identified as a "Stalinist". "Stalinism" is a term only used by those who are anti-Stalin in almost all circumstances. Those who actually uphold Stalin are just Marxist-Leninist. Supporters of Enver Hoxha are usually referred to as Hoxhaites.

--Mista-X 16:18, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hmm... but aren't these issues (about Stalinism) reflected pretty well in the article Stalinism? Samaritan 16:30, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That whole article is writted POV, and is horribly anti-communist and anti-Stalin. Bains would never have called himself a "Stalinist", nor would any of his comrades, so why is it fair to lable him a "Stalinist"? If anything, it should be noted that this is a term used by his opponents IMO. --Mista-X 16:46, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As opposed to "anti-revisionist"? I'm reminded of the words of Dr. Hibbert: "And hillbillies prefer to be called 'sons of the soil' but it ain't gonna happen". Carolynparrishfan 03:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)