Talk:Hanoi
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Perhaps the newly added transportation section is more suited for Wikitravel? DHN 03:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Someone (82.27.205.64) came in and took out all of the Chinese. As a former Chinese-controlled state, it's relevant (Especially since Chinese writing was used widely). He did this in other places, but I don't know enough about it to revert (Wiki code and chinese), nor do I want to go through the hassle if it's going to be reverted. Michael.Niemann 02:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
- That was me. I removed the Chinese translation because it's entirely irrelevant. This is an English Wikipedia and everything should be in English except for maybe the local name which is not in Chinese. The only place that Chinese translation should be included is probably on the origin of the name. There are much more people in Vietnam who can understand English or even French, German than Chinese. Even before the romanised system is invented, Vietnamese use "chu+~ no^m" - not Chinese. If Chinese translation should be included just because the Chinese controlled Vietnam then maybe we should also add Vietnamese translation to every entry on provinces in Southern China since Vietnamese used to control this area, Latin translation should also be added to entries on English cities since the Roman used to control England, Vietnamese translation for Cambodian cities, Khmer translation for Thai cities, etc. That's a great way to make a mess of Wikipedia.--lt2hieu2004 03:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
- All the name of Hanoi are chinese origin (and with its meaning)! it's not the case of Khmer or Thai!Chuoibk 10:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Pronunciation
Can someone include a pronunciation guide? I came here wondering whether it was "han-oy" or "han-wa" (given the French influences) and the page doesn't answer that question. --P3d0 13:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- It's pronounced according to Vietnamese pronunciation rules: Hah-noy. The French write it as Hanoï. DHN 14:09, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Intro paragraph - dates
It states that Hanoi "served as the capital of French Indochina from 1887 to 1945. From 1945 to 1976, it was the capital of North Vietnam." I believe 1945 should be changed to 1954 - the French maintained Hanoi as their Indochinese capital until the Battle of Dien Bien Phu, no?
Also, did the French hold onto Hanoi during the Japanese occupation during WWII, or was there an interruption? --Davecampbell 19:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] External Link
There's an external link that really needs to be added to the Hanoi page. I know that section is policed quite rigorously, but this deserves a spot. It's The New Hanoian. I just spent over a year in Hanoi, and I can tell you that this site is definitely a valuable (and free) tool. It just started to take off last spring, and it's already proving to be more relevant than any of the guide books. They list just about every place they come across, not just the tourist hot spots. Any objections? VietGrant 19:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Blacklist
Alright, something needs to be done about this guy, 203.160.1.47. He's tried to promote his crap site multiple times here. It's littered with butchered English and tons of advertising links, not to mention the blatant plagiarism (word-for-word) of other reputable sites about Vietnam.
After viewing his talk page for just fifteen seconds, it's quite obvious that this guy is up to no good here. Obviously a bot of some sort. What's it going to take to get this IP blacklisted? VietGrant 07:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Founding Year is not 1010
Is this article about the settlements that collectively make up what is now called "Hanoi", or is it about the settlement once it was called Hanoi? Dai La is/was located inside what is called now Hanoi (i.e. not province (like Co Loa), but city). Dai La is much older than 1010. In 1010, Dai La was renamed to "Thang Long", i.e not Hanoi. "Hanoi" as such did not exist in 1010 ... the settlement was called "Hanoi" only in 1831, as the article says. So, the date for the founding should either be 1831, or whatever founding date of Dai La can be found ... since Dai La could be considered as kind of the predecessor. Stefanhanoi 17:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- 1010 is significant in Hanoi history because it's the year that it becomes the capital of Vietnam. Before that, I think it's just a citadel and not inhabited my many people. DHN 03:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I do not deny that 1010 has "some" significance, but it should not be mentioned as the founding year of "Hanoi" in the box to the right. Problem is, I don't know what better date to use.
Next, I think Dai La (and thus a settlement that is now called "Hanoi") was already before 1010 capital of an independent Vietnam, and was populated also in that time. I quote from Nguyen Vinh Phuc in "Hanoi - Past and Present" (The Gioi, 2201), page 44ff: "In the middle of the fifth century (454-456), Hanoi [sic] was recorded as the centre of Tong Binh district which later became a province. ... The seat of government of [Chinese province of] Tong Binh was in the urban area of present Hanoi." This would mean that there was a sigificant settlement at least in the middle of the fifth century, if not already earlier.
Regarding Hanoi being the first time the capital of an independent Vietnam: "In 544. Ly Bi ... built a fortress by the To Lich River [i.e. present day Hanoi area]. After defeating the Liang invaders, he proclaimed himself King ... Thereafter, his nephew, Ly Phat Tu moved the capital to Co Loa ..." Where did Ly Bi rule his independent Vietnam, if not from where the administration was up to his victory (i.e. the administration of Tong Binh within present day Hanoi), or in his fortress (also within present day Hanoi)?
http://www.bvom.com/resource/vn_history.asp?pContent=Ancient_Time writes "In 544, Ly Bon proclaimed himself Emperor of the Southern (Nam De), and named the country Van Xuan, the Capital situated in Hanoi now."
Bottom Line:
1) 1010 is maybe the year when the first time a Vietnamese emperor moved the capital to what is now Hanoi - usually, the Vietnamese moved it away, e.g. to Co Loa or to Hoa Luu, and the Chinese moved it back again to Dai La.
2) It is not possible to give a founding date for "Hanoi", since Hanoi was never founded. Hanoi is the name of a number of settlements, each with their own founding date.
Stefanhanoi 13:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
