Template talk:Half-elven

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I have no real idea how the tree should look, only being a casual fan and all, so if it's wrong in any way, please feel free to correct, it was just unbearable to look at as it was. Poulsen 18:10, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Three unions

I think the numerous issues surrounding the 'three unions' are too complicated to cover as an 'aside' in this template and thus the statement ought to be removed and covered fully in the Half-elven article.

It is just too much to explain that Imrazor/Mithrellas doesn't count because Mithrellas wasn't an 'Eldar' under the later 'Calaquendi' meaning of the term, Beren/Luthien does count because Luthien was born an 'elf' (though half-Maia) even though she had become mortal by the time she had Dior, Brandir and other half-elves mentioned in passing don't count either because they are from outdated drafts or presumably non 'Eldar' parents, Aragorn/Arwen does count even though Arwen was technically a half-elf who chose mortality and married a human - presumably because she had lived so long as an 'elf' before choosing mortality, and Dior/Nimloth - Earendil/Elwing - Elrond/Celebrian - Elros/Unnamed human wife don't count - presumably because the half-elves in those cases made their choices much earlier.

That's alot of twists and turns to maintain the 'only three unions' bit. Making the simple statement that 'there were only three' will just continue to attract contradiction and it doesn't make sense to explain the complex rationales behind it on this page. --CBDunkerson 15:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The marriages of Elros and Elrond don't count because they had chosen to be Man and Elf respectively and married their own kind. That of Earendil and Elwing doesn't count because the parties were neither one nor the other. Hm, was Dior mortal? —Tamfang 00:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:familytree

The current preformatted text is rather ugly, so I had a go at replicating the family tree using the familytree template, like Template:Fëanor. It ended up being rather wide and long. Ideas for improvement are welcome. -- ALoan (Talk) 00:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I actually prefer the text based trees. No, the individual elements aren't as 'pretty' as nice boxes and graphical lines, but you have much greater control of the layout and are thus able to control the size and appearance better. You can also include comments more easily. The whole point of this template is to show the 'line of the half-elven' as described by Tolkien with the 'three unions'... yet there is no easy way to mark the three unions in the 'familytree' version. The ideal solution would be to build a chart the same way 'familytree' does, but manually so that it can then be more precisely formatted. I don't know how subst'able 'familytree' is, but that might be a place to start. --CBDunkerson 12:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

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