Talk:Halim El-Dabh

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[edit] Article has 5 links to Rosencomet.com - but hardly anything else is referenced

Why are there so disproportionately many links to Rosencomet.com? Timmy12 21:34, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Because the editor that added that information cited it. You could always add more citations to the article yourself. Ekajati (yakity-yak) 21:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

El-Dabh's participation in the Association for Consciousness Exploration activities is a relatively minor aspect of his career, but the editor who added those is, I believe, the president of that organization, and has assiduously added similar text to the Wikipedia pages of many other musicians who have appeared at his festivals. There was recently a question of whether it was proper that this involved self promotion and the links were added as references to at least prove that the information was accurate. The question of whether there needs to be an entire paragraph about his participation in the ACE festivals is another question entirely. I hope this explains things. Badagnani 21:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Electronic music

The Wire magazine claims him as the founder of electronic music, based on a (now lost) 1944 piece called Ta'abir al-Zaar. Should this go in? Totnesmartin 15:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Is the "Wire" piece already out? I thought that was to be in the March issue. The Telharmonium was invented in the 1890s and there were a lot of electronic instruments from 1900-1940, including the theremin. So it wouldn't be the earliest example of electronic music, though it's an early example of manipulated/processed recordings (John Cage's "Imaginary Landscape no. 1" for multiple gramophones might count as well). Badagnani 19:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

It's already out, that's where I read it. Their emphasis is on Ta'abir al-Zaar being the first purely electronic piece, rather than simply incorporating a theremin (or whatever) into a score mainly for acoustic instruments, although it does include a (heavily treated) field recording. Totnesmartin 22:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. We have yet to get the March issue Stateside. Since it's based on acoustic sound (i.e. no synthesized sound of any sort, relying on the filtering and processing of a field recording) I'm not sure I'd call it "purely electronic," though it would be considered concrete music using Schaeffer's definition. Badagnani 22:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

The field recording itself was made electronically (on steel wire), but I take your point. Perhaps the article was over-selling its subject a bit. Still very interesting though. Totnesmartin 22:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)