Talk:Haditha (city)

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Contents 1 Passive Voice Alert 2 Relevancy 3 Watch 4 Separate Article 5 History etc 6 Etymology speculation 7 Population discrepancy 8 Locator map 9 Better Source? 10 info on Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich trial

[edit] Passive Voice Alert

"The unreleased report of the US military investigation into the event is said to have found that 24 unarmed Iraqis, including 11 women and children, were killed by 12 members of the US Marines" Is said by whom???? 70.114.32.133 02:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Unnamed sources who've spoken to newspapers, channels etc? GiollaUidir 22:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Relevancy

"According to James Crossen, who was sitting next to Terrazas when the roadside bomb exploded, women and children in the area often helped insurgents. It's likely, according to Crossen, that women and children had given information on US patrols to insurgents which led to the roadside bomb attack.[4] In addition, Terrazas' father said other marines told him they were fighting with insurgents who used civilians as human shields."

How is the above relevant to the story now? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.118.184.104 (talk • contribs).

And if supposedly they were helping do the marines have the right to shoot innocent unarmed women and children civilians? And if they used the children as sheilds as you claim where would the insurgents disappear behind the human sheild?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alromaithi (talk • contribs).

If they were helping the insurgents then they wouldn't be innocent or civilians. 03:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I also think this paragraph is irrelevant. It should be deleted! --Ghormax 12:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

If this paragraph is irrelevant, then so is the one "The unreleased report of the US military investigation into the event is said to have found that 24 unarmed Iraqis, including 11 women and children, were killed by 12 Marines from the unit, apparently in retaliation for the death of Terrazas,[6] and two captains and a lieutenant colonel have been relieved of duty.[7]" Mentioning supposed results of an unreleased report about an incomplete investigation is relevant, but what marines on site said is irrelevant? (FJC)

[edit] Watch

Expect the trolls to flock to this article. Just you wait. Haizum 04:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Separate Article

There should be a separate article about the Haditha Massacre. The information about the event is slowing leaking and an official report is expected within 30 days. The segment about the massacre is only going to get larger and more detailed. It only seems fair to have a separate article. -- nobody 20:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The information about the incident should remain separate. But if information supporting "massacre" is in this article, then information from the other side, that maybe it wasn't a massacre, must also be included.

[edit] History etc

Surely there must be more to Haditha than being the place where a few Marines went on a trigger-happy rampage?GiollaUidir 18:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology speculation

Haditha or Hadithah as it is also spelled is a common arabic town name. There is a "hadithah, jordan" and a "hadithah, saudi arabia". I believe the correct name for this town is "al-hadithah, Iraq".

I am speculating the name derives from Hadith an islamic concept that has spawned it's own Category:Hadith --Paul E. Ester 01:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

No my friend it has nothing to do with Hadith. Haditha has a completely different meaining which is (new).

I wrote the sentence above and it is correct. I just didn't sign it. "No my friend it has nothing to do with Hadith. Haditha has a completely different meaining which is (new)." Yes "Al-Haditha" is the correct spelling but like my name it has diiferent variations: "Alhaditha", "Alhadeetha" "Al Hadetha" but the popular spelling should be "Al-Haditha". Alromaithi 23:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

And Hadith doesn't mean "new"? Zsero 03:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Population discrepancy

The guardian puts the population of haditha at 150,000 Simon Jeffery and agencies Pro-US mayor killed by Iraqi guerrillas Guardian Wednesday July 16, 2003

[edit] Locator map

I'm working on a new infobox template for Iraqi places, incorporating a new style of locator maps - the Haditha article is the testbed. Please bear with me until I'm finished. -- ChrisO 17:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I do think that the map would make more sense with Baghdad on it as a point of reference. --waffle iron ^talk 17:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not appropriate to use articles for "Tests", you should use the sandbox or your user space? How long do we need to "Bear with" you? Standard reason for warning a user is testing on a live article? As an admin you know all this.... so it's a bit confusing--Paul E. Ester 18:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I've taken off the "inuse" template for now - unfortunately I wasn't able to get the infobox working properly. I'll see if I can get someone else to help. -- ChrisO 20:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Problem with map: the first map shows the city as not touching the river and the second map shows it right on the river. I think the first one is not entirely accurate in its placement. Badagnani 14:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Better Source?

Is 'stars and stripes' really the best source availible for the events described in this section?;

In 2004, U.S. troops left a local police force in charge of the city and insurgents rounded up dozens of local police officers and publicly executed them in a soccer stadium

I'm not disputing that these events took place in the way described(although i seem to remember other reports saying it was a sectarian death squad rather than 'insurgents'). But a source that is primarily staffed by the US military for the sole readership of the US military and heavily subsidized by the US DOD isn't exactly the most ideal source for events in which the US military was an actor. 81.132.51.161 21:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC) Elmo

Um... I'm really having trouble finding an even remotely reliable source and would appreciate it if someone else gave it a try too. It's pretty much accepted that there were executions carried out by resistance forces in nearby areas of the province but any source that talks about this particlar event either seems to be direct from the US military or slightly fanatical right-wing blogs which use only sources directly from the US military. There were some well documented clashes in and around Haditha between Sunni militant groups and the then largely shitte police force, but that's about it, prehaps this event is a propaganda myth arising from those occurences? I'm seriously beginning to doubt it ever took place. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.132.51.161 (talk) 23:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] info on Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich trial

"A US marine, charged with murdering unarmed Iraqi civilians in Haditha in 2005, said he regrets the deaths but would make the same decisions again." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6456969.stm --87.127.117.246 08:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)