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[edit] Merge with Orochi?

I think it is same as Orochi (Yamata-no-orochi). According to the description of Kojiki, Yamata-no-orochi has not only eight heads but also eight tails. nnh 02:16, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I've added the merge template. Thanks! — BrianSmithson 14:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely not. From the Japanese culture I've absorbed over the years, These two are not the same entity and cannot be utilized interchangably. -Zero^Talk 18:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I disagree as well. Hachimata is supposedly a Dragon with eight tails, while Orochi is an eight headed snake. To merge the two profiles, you would have to come to a compromise, which could jepordize the information compiled for the two. -User:Omega4590

Don't you mean that Hachimata is an 8-tailed SNAKE and Orochi is the 8-headed DRAGON? Anyways... they're no more similar than the Basilisk and Dragon myths of Medieval Europe.--Marhawkman 00:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The Orochi is described as having both eight heads AND eight tails. Also, the description given in this article is precisely the same as that given to the Orochi. See the Talk section below this one for more on why they seem to be the same creature. Kotengu 21:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hoax?

A Google search for this word will yield a little over a thousand results, mostly (if not all) just anime fan sites or this very web page. I usually just blame it on Encyclopedia Mythica, but the blame for this doesn't seem to be placeable on them. Anyone got a verifiable source for this? This article doesn't give any Japanese form of the name (more evidence), and Jim Breen's, while suporting the idea that "mata" can mean "thigh" or "crotch", gives that only as a kun'yomi, and so it would not fit in a compound with "hachi" (as opposed to "ya"), and there are no external links. It was contributed, rather messilly but still largely with the same info it contains now, as Isogane's only edit, and has only been contributed to in any significant (non-categorizing, non-stub-sorting) manner by Anons. elvenscout742 23:45, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

It would seem to me that there is no thing as a hachimata "eight-tail", and that it is simply erroneously interpreted as an individual entity, especially considering that the name hachimata would be impossible if the intended meaning is indeed "eight-tail".

In all likelyhood, "yamata" as in "Yamata no Orochi" is intended, especially considering that the entry here coincides 100% with Orochi's, except the last part about them supposedly being separate.

To my knowledge, "hachimata" first surfaced in posts on anime/manga forums dealing with the backstory of Naruto, considering the "tailed beasts", the Bijū. It would seem that not even Encyclopedia Mythica can be blamed for this one.

I support the above, that both pages should be merged. More specifically, this page should be merged into Orochi.

Any comments? Lemegeton 17:20, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

After poking around on the Japanese internet for a while, I agree. 八股 seems to bring up some mentions of the yamata-no-orochi, but nothing about a snake just called "hachimata" - "Hachimata" just seems to be a bad/alternate reading of the "yamata" in the orochi's full name. Since it's been months and nobody has protested any, I'll go about merging these two. Kotengu 21:39, 9 November 2006 (UTC)