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How come my contributions to the Meles Zenawi article is deleted all the time, when the fact is that the article is heavily sided with him? How come there is no toleration for objectivity and accuracy? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Evolving primates (talk • contribs) 07:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Meles Zenawi

Who is deleting my contributions to the Meles Zenawi article? why is it that there is toleration for inaccurate information on the page and other contributions that dont agree with POV of the editor deleted? I am curious. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Evolving primates (talk • contribs) 07:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC).

I will be very happy to provide you with the sources behind my assertions and all. But, i am new to this wikipedia editing and i am having problems in how to do the correct footnotes. If you can help me with the footnotes, i will be able to cite them, if not, then i can give you the sources and you can do it for me. However, thanks for getting back to me and i appreciate your concerns. Hope to hear from you soon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Evolving primates (talk • contribs) 10:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] February 13

Message Hi, Gyrofrog. I've just a received a message from you regarding the article Ogaden National Liberation Front. Is it possible that you may have made a mistake in suggesting that I had edited this article. I have certainly never edited the article or even (to my shame) heard of the article's subject. I'm a little worried, as I have an account Trepur99 that I almost always use, but if there's a risk of someone with the same IP somewhere in the world, misusing wikipedia, I wouldn't want my IP to be banned. Could you suggest what I should do in this situation. Thanks very much Will 81.129.222.156 10:20, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. As a member of the Wikipedia community, I would like to remind you of Wikipedia's neutral-point-of-view policy for editors, which you appear to have violated at Ogaden National Liberation Front. In the meantime, please be bold and continue contributing to Wikipedia. Thank you! -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wiki Lawyer Gyrofrog

I laughed when you called me a wiki lawyer, when you are the one citing legal precedence over policy, and here is the precedence you are claiming, from the wikipedia page you referred me to: "However, the new work must be different from the original in order for a new copyright to apply, as the court ruled in Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corporation. from "derivative work.

Please change back the Copyright tag as it is not the original tag and you have subscribed to the picture as it being a cover. If you can find the cover of the book itself maybe you can argue your case better. Otherwise I will have to do it since you are biasing the assessment. You must make up your mind whether it is a book cover or a derative work and when it comes down to it, after reading the above cited quote, all that really has to be done is take another picture that clearly is a little more creative. Why not save wikipedia readers the trouble. Thanks. --Mikerussell 20:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I've responded on your talk page, but if you have more to say about this please do so at WP:IFD. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I went back and altered the page again with comments and hope you will return the copyright tag back. You are really shamefully violating the assume good faith policy by accussing me of "bending the book" to purposely get around the copyright. The cover represents a worn book after many years of reading, not a new book that was damaged to get around the policies of an online encyclopedia. A book is an artefact- it has a life and purpose and is similiar to an antique object. Thus you are entitled to your opinion about its artistic merits, but let me assure you, they are only yours and not privliged. --Mikerussell 20:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Again, please discuss this at IFD. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:StrohViolinFromSI.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:StrohViolinFromSI.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

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[edit] New Jon Hassell article.

Hi, G. I've just submitted a new article on Hassell's Dream Theory in Malaya album. Feedback/corrections/additions welcome. Gardener of Geda | Message Me.... 22:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warsangeli

Dear Gyrofrog, first of all, as you said the IP can be used by different persons, I do not do vandalism to a whole topic, but I do edit. I have been editing the "Warsangeli", which you are familiar with. I even sent an e-mail to the arbitration committee to set up a talk page because I had suspected of other people doing harm to the topic. But now, i am in the dillema that it is either the administration that are editing the topic or someone else. You asked me whether I should provide references. In fact, I do provide references and even notable member of that nation is listed with reputable sources. What is your objection? Also, can we protect the contest of this topic as it is now particularly my contribution? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.191.104.63 (talk) 08:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

130.191.104.63, I disagree with your remark about vandalising the whole topic. You do vandalise it, take a look at your version and Gyrofrog's version.
Gyrofrog's version has a request for a source at the end of the second sentence. That is followed by a section on the clan structure with a link to lineage charts. After the notable people section there are the categories.
Your version, removes the categories, the whole clan section and the request for the source at the end of the second sentence all of which is vandalism. Linking to the Sultanate of Mohamoud Ali Shire is not acceptable as a source. This second sentence is then followed by a some comments that violate Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Things such as "The citizens of Warsangeli state are well-known throughout Somalia's history, of being peace loving and politically independent citizens. To know more about the historical superiority of Warsangeli clan and its beautiful country, ..." While those claims may be true they are a particular POV and unsourced. TO include them you would need to provide a source that says that.
The bit about Cruttenden could be included under a new section called "further reading".
As to "Also, can we protect the contest of this topic as it is now particularly my contribution?" I think you should read Wikipedia:Ownership of articles.
To finish. I looked to see who else was adding the same material. We have:
130.191.104.63 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • RBLs • block user • block log) - San Diego State University
146.244.137.172 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • RBLs • block user • block log) - San Diego State University and used by Sanaagian
146.244.153.248 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • RBLs • block user • block log) - San Diego State University
146.244.152.64 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • RBLs • block user • block log) - San Diego State University
208.54.15.129 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • RBLs • block user • block log) - T-Mobile
Sanaagian (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) - Has used 146.244.138.126 (San Diego State University) and the above 146.244.137.172
So I suspect that we either have one person or a small group of friends. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 10:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I think CBW just spelled it out better than I ever could. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gyrofrog

Dear Gyrofrog,

Thanks for the advice and all the links you provided. I have made all the necessary changes with the same category you desired and most importantly, citing more references and quotes. I hope you will accept it this time. Take a look at it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.191.104.66 (talk) 03:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

I'm replying here because you have a different IP address from when you left your previous message, and I'm not sure which of your talk pages I should use for a response. It was helpful of you to provide sources, but I have to ask, what compels you to contrast the positive attributes of one clan against the negative attributes of others? Even though you cited sources, the information as you've presented it fails to maintain a neutral point-of-view. And just to clarify, I didn't write the earlier response to you although I fully agree with CBW's comments. Thanks for your consideration, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Gyrofrog's remarks. Also if you are Sanaagian log in and edit or get an account so we can use your talk page. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:19, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:19, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Temesgen

Hi, I can't find any discussion for the deletion of the Temesgen article. I think the individual who made the Temesgen website also made the Wikipedia page, so that would be an example of someone "violating" his own copyright. Thank you, Badagnani 00:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

You should have taken the time to look through all the pages. This individual has contributed a number of photos and information about the Ethiopian lyres begena and krar over the past year or so, and in fact one of the photos says something like "me playing the krar," and the photo of Temesgen on the Temesgen official site is the same person. Badagnani 00:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

OK--please note that I do object to the POV language in the article ("this article's wonderful music is full of beautiful sounds"--that type of thing)...we often have this problem in articles on Carnatic music; when this is pointed out the writers often object quite vocally, believing nothing to be wrong with such writing if they believe the artist to be of high quality. It may be a cultural difference. In any case, I do agree with you that every editor, regardless of national origin, should adhere to WP guidelines regarding NPOV as well as copyvio. Badagnani 01:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'd forgotten about editors writing articles about themselves. That's bad too! But if he is indeed notable (something I'm not yet convinced of, as the sole source he provided after I added an unreferenced tag earlier today) is his own official site. I think he is probably a "want to be notable" musician at this point in his career. Badagnani 01:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes I am a "wanna be notable" musician at this point in my career. No other Krar or Begena player knows how to use the computer or post on Wiki (I don't think). That's why I am using Wiki to inform whoever is interested about my virtual existance. I don't have time (interest) to read laws and rules, but I am always ready to be taught and "corrected" and cooperate. Temambiru 23:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

That the person who committed the copyvio claims to be the creator of the original page isn't enough; he needs to provide evidence of that, and of the copyright status of the material -- preferably in the form of a clear notice on the original Web page that the material is copyright-free in line with Wikipedia's policie on copyright.
Incidentally, please remember to mark your edits as minor when (and only when) they genuinely are minor edits (see Wikipedia:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one (and vice versa) is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting and minor rearranging of text should be flagged as a 'minor edit'. Thanks! --Mel Etitis (Talk) 09:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Somaliland

I only stated current factual realities about lack or the absence of recognition for Somalilad and the reasons why , which obviously does not need an attributable or verifiable sourcing. as to deleting some referrenced sources my appologies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sgmohamed (talk • contribs) 01:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John H Faulk

I'm mistaken. By way of excuse, I was working on a series of Paul Robeson Award winners, all of whom were African Americans, and when I saw he'd won the award and that he'd written a series of sermons on the plight of the Negro, I jumped to conclusions when placing categories. Sorry. I'm sure it was perplexing.

I checked the 1920 census using my www.ancestry.com genealogy membership and found the following:

John's parents Henry J and Martha C Faulk and family appear in the 1920 Federal Census for Texas in a part of Justice Precinct 6, Travis County. Their address is 917 Live Oak Street. John's father, a lawyer with his own office, was born abt 1869 (age 51) in Alabama, to parents born in Alabama. John's mother was born abt 1871 (age 41) in Texas, to a father born in Texas and mother born in Louisiana. The list of siblings includes Hamilton (14 M), Martha (11 F), Mary E (9 F), John H (6 M), and Texana (4 7/12 F), all born in Texas. The entire family is listed as white.

http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Texas.Travis.Justice+Precinct+5.120.23&sid=&gskw=John+H+Faulk&cr=1

Pat 00:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Somalia is one

Please Greyfolk, Somalia can't be two. Please stick to this principle and do no support the creations of the secessionists. The topic is biased and thrusts unknown districts while classifying it into classes. The Joint Needs Assessment's, a subsidiary organization of the United Nation's new home page will give you the simple answer that there are only five districts in Sanaag and they are stated in their site. visit this site and check Somali Districts

http://somali-jna.org/index.cfm?module=ActiveWeb&page=WebPage&s=maps —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 146.244.138.69 (talk) 03:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

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