Talk:Gypsy punk

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Which is funny, since Gogol Bordello isn't punk. -Drevius

Gogol Bordello is a mix of punk rock with traditional Gypsy music. The punk influence is fairly obvious, especially on their latest album. --Every Dog's Day 20:48, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On that vague word "Gypsy"

Something more definite than "gypsy music" should really be said here. Roma music varies nearly as widely geographically as the folk music of the more "settled" residents of those areas. I get the impression Gogol Bordello is focused on a Romanian sound, but I'm no expert on the band. Good questions to ask would be relating gypsy punk to any other genres connected with Roma musicians, like manele.

Also, the other bands identified: do they also describe themselves as gypsy punk or do they use other terms? If GB are the only ones, this article may as well redirect. Bjart 08:32, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neologism

This doesn't seem like a valid genre term at all. There seems to be a line of thought going around on Wikipedia that if a word appears before the word "punk" then it denotes a genre. Not only is that not true, but this article is based upon a misreading of the source. He doesn't call his music "gypsy punk", but "gypsy punk cabaret". And artists themselves are not considered reliable sources for their genre classification because of such terminology like this. I'd strongly suggest this page be nominated for deletion. WesleyDodds 22:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Might I suggest a redirect to the Gogol page? Bjart 20:31, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Sounds fine by me. WesleyDodds 06:34, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

The redirect Idea might be good. I certainly think it would be better than merging the Gogol Bordello Article with Gypsy Punk. that seems like we're just making it a footnote. it's an article about a band.Captainstoat 21:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bla

gypsy punk is used by many that are not quite as familiar with this type of music to refer to music that has similar qualities. By merging the two pages or redirecting gypsy punk to gogol's page, you're basically telling people that gogol bordello is the definitive band/sound for gypsy punk. I think that's quite unfair to many musicians that would like to gain exposure for this type of thing even if there are more accurate or correct classifications. Just my 2 cents.gerstle 17:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is many things, but it's not a music recomendation service. If the term is being used outside of the Gogol context, we need good references to back up the article's existence, the definition given, and each artist included. Take a look at Dark cabaret and its talk page if you want to see what being too loose can do to an article. Bjart 01:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I see your point, but i don't necessarily agree that by accurately reflecting the way people are using a term we are recommending music. I have seen the term gypsy punk in a recent rolling stones article where they highlighted 3 or 4 cd's by different bands (no gogol bordello) and reviewed them. I can't find the article online, but two of the cd's reviewed can be found here: Beirut[1] and Devotchka[2]. Also, a new york times article [3] from 2005 entitled "The Rise of Gypsy Punkers" kind of gave gogol bordello the role of the fathers of gypsy punk; however, other bands fitting this description are also given props (Slavic Soul Party!, Romashka, the Hungry March Band and Guignol). While being described as a 'russian ska band', i would also loosely include Leningrad as gypsy punk. gerstle 17:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Very good points. That's what we've been asking for. I'll try to dig up some interviews to see if anyone's been given a chance to respond to the genre label. I can imagine Devotchka having a laugh about it. Bjart 21:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

i disagree. wikipedia should keep these two articles separate, because in time maybe there will be other bands classed as gypsy punk

I also disagree with the suggestion to merge the pages. It seems like there are two separate points of contention here: 1) whether gypsy punk is a legitimate term for musical classification and 2) whether Gogol Bordello is the only/the only definitive band with a gypsy punk sound. And I don't believe that #2 is true to the extent that it would need to be true for these articles to be merged. Thatotter 02:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)thatotter

It definitely isn't. Gogol Bordello, while one of the few (if currently) bands that emulates gypsy punk and has also gained popularity in the past few years, there are multiple other bands in the scene. If Spin was able to push out an article naming gypsy punk the Scene of the Year (which of course I can't find online), then there is no way that Wikipedia should be able to consider Gogol Bordello and gypsy punk as one and the same. Amphytrite 21:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Removing the merge notice. Thanks guys. If anyone can get ahold of the spin article who has the initiative, please update the gypsy punk article. It's needs some good indication that there's a scene, rather than just a grouping of bands who may not even listen to each other. Bjart 00:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey Guys, did you ever heard about a french Band, "Los Carayos", they were really the beginners of this kind of music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z1b56odOeg