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Contents 1 Merge with Androids 1.1 Merge, instead, into Fembot 2 List of fictional gynoids 2.1 Buck Rogers 3 role in fiction 4 Split to List of fictional gynoids and female cyborgs 4.1 Survey 4.2 Discussion

[edit] Merge with Androids

I know this is a fairly lengthy article, but it seems logical that it should be a subcategory of the [android] article, as though, technically, android refers to male, it is commonly used as a gender neutral term and the Greek root may have been used as such. It seems strange, like having one page for female dogs and another for males.... Comments? Chris Shanks 09:16, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Male and female dogs reproduce by sexual means. Androids don't. Mad scientists (and a host of others) create female androids, that is gynoids for very specific reasons. In organic species with sexual reproduction a male or female is born by the luck of the draw, so to speak. With a gynoid, the author of the book/script/short story is giving a very specific message. That is what makes them so special and worth a separate article. The article is already long and will get even longer. The list is just starting to cover gynoids in classical SF. There are a lot more. And the discussion of the nature of gynoids in fiction could easily be several paragraphs long. There are reams of material on this in feminist studies of science fiction literature. Instead of being merged with android this article should eventually be split in two with one article for the commented list and one article discussing gynoids per se. --AlainV 02:28, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree with AlainV. I think that if a gynoid is used in a fictionous work, it is because the story _needs_ a gynoid. For example, a common purpose of gynoids in SF to replace women in an all-male community, doing various tasks, and accompany men. So I think that this article shouldn't be merged with androids. It's a nice article alone, as SF (and anime) fans can read about female androids. Describing each gynoid is a good idea too. --Rev-san 17:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

The article should stand alone. Merging it with "android" is innapropriate because there is a distinctive history, esthetic, etc. that inheres in the gynoid concept. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.217.232.37 (talk • contribs).

Yes, yes, a distinctive history and aesthetic... which was just invented a couple years ago by a still-living science fiction author. You fucking twit. --76.209.48.85 06:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with AlainV, Rev-san: the two articles, dealing with unique subjects with voluminous source matter, should remain separate. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 01:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

No merge, as per E Pluribus Anthony, AlainV, and Rev-san. 66.229.160.94 08:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge, instead, into Fembot

While this is the superior article IMNVHO, I suspect that fembot is the more widely circulated word for this specific phenomenon, and outscores gynoid on Google by more than 3:1. Smerdis of Tlön 14:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge but from Fembot to Gynoid. Gynoid is the more formal and proper term; fembot is the newer and less serious term. I don't know how much more simple to make it: I'm shocked beyond words that anyone would consider putting a classical Greek-based term under an obnoxious comedy-based term. The fact that "fembot" is more circulated than "gynoid" is immaterial, it only goes to show that as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia should do the right thing in making the proper term more known to the idiotic masses. I cannot stress enough how wrong it is to put "gynoid" under "fembot", no matter what the vapid majority of the public thinks. Beyond that, the "gynoid" article has far more references, has more information, and has 5 times more articles linking to it. It also has 3 equivalent articles in 3 different Wikis; "fembot" has none. 66.229.160.94 08:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Popular terms such as fembot will appear and disappear. There might be a ref from the term fembot to the gynoid article, and some elementsfrom the fembot article could be brought into the gynoid article, but no more. --AlainV 19:13, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

If the article is correct, "gynoid" is not an older word than "fembot" since Gwyneth Jones was first published in 1977. It is also significantly less popular. That it is composed of Greek roots rather than Latin and Slavic ones is not an argument in its favor. It also loses a Googlefight by a ratio of more than 60:1. 68.36.34.173 03:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of fictional gynoids

This list is becoming a bit too long to navigate. Can something be done about it? --Steerpike 11:33, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

The classic is to put it in alphabetical order. I got caught at this game once and am not going through it again. I put one of the Web comics list in alpha order, all by myself one day and a few days later they decided to eliminate it! --AlainV 01:01, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I think it would be wise to sort the list entries with names, and then put the misc entries at the end. --Rev-san 16:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

In fact, the list now includes some duplicate entries, likely due to its being too unwieldy. Perhaps those entries representing characters from the same work should be combined, and the resulting list sorted by title of work. ---Bersl2 01:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

The list of fictional gynoids is now organised by media category and alphabetically. Robotman1974 12:43, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the list should at least be cleared of all non-gynoids. Sure, the description says "or cyborgs with a female appearance", but why? This is Gynoid, not Cyborg or Female Cyborg. --193.11.177.69 01:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I have no objection to this being done, as long as the entire list is sifted through to remove cyborg entries. However, I think some criteria have to be established for the categories first. For example, what constitutes the difference between gynoid and cyborg? Are the characters in Blade Runner considered gynoids because they have artificial consciousness or are they cyborgs because of their biological construction? Robotman1974 10:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

We are unlikely to come up with a perfect solution to this nebulous philosophical dilemma. I propose that we treat the Blade Runner replicants as gynoids, because that is how they are viewed from the movie’s (mostly) and that society’s perspective. Also, in my view a cyborg is something natural that has something artificial added to it after the fact that is not part of it otherwise. But yeah, we are never going to be able to establish a definition to satisfy everyone. --193.11.177.69 14:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Buck Rogers

I seem to recall at least 1, if not several, female robots in the 1980s Buck Rogers TV series. I'm pretty sure that Twiki had a female companion. --Booch 21:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] role in fiction

I have tried to get started on why storytellers put specifically female robots into stories. There is more to say, I am sure. There should be overlap with Women in science fiction (though that article also needs attention) for example, have the roles given to gynoids altered in line wiht human female characters going from being sex symbols who need endless rescuing to being (at least sometimes) stronger characters with their own agenda —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.3.139.214 (talk • contribs). Sorry! that last post and edit was mine, and I have just realised that I forgot to sign in ! ChrisBaker 09:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Fembot mentioned in Frank Zappa's "Joe's Garage" rock opera. The tune concerning a wet t-shirt night a dance and entertainment establishment is entitled, 'Fembot in a Wet T-Shirt."210.153.95.1 04:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)