Talk:Gustav Stresemann

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I swear he got killed.... or does my memory fail me?

Heart attack. You're thinking of Walter Rathenau, I think. Mackensen (talk) 15:02, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Poland

Molobo, in the final analysis international scholarship agrees that Stresemann was rather a peacemaker than a warmonger. On a more speculative note, he might arguably even have felt compelled to pay lip-service to the anti-Polish consensus of the time in order to keep his conservative adversaries at arm's length. Anyway, his occasional aggressive remarks concerning Poland remained inconclusive, which is why they are often forgotten. Kindly do not reverse the text's meaning to give our readers the opposite idea. --Thorsten1 22:25, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

In response to repeated attempts at disfiguring the wording on Stresemann's position towards Poland, let me repeat the point above: Stresemann's aggressive remarks towards Poland notwithstanding, it remains a fact that Stresemann is generally credited with stabilising German democracy and preserving peace. This included containing nationalist forces that were pushing towards a renewed border conflict with Poland. Wikipedia should not present Stresemann as a warmonger, when most scholars, all things considered, describe him as a peacemaker. Such an incongruity would certainly damage Wikipedia's esteem more than Stresemann's.

If anyone believes that Stresemann's overall peacemaker image in historiography is undeserved, they should try and revise it outside Wikipedia first, preferably in peer-reviewed publications; if their views gain wider currency, we can include them here. Anything else constitutes a violation of the no original research rule.

Before anyone accuses me of whitewashing interwar German foreign policy or Stresemann in particular: It was me who translated and added Stresemann's hostile statements about Poland. But, ultimately, such information can only add nuance to the big picture - we should not try to redraw it here. --Thorsten1 08:18, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't really believe this to be true

Wikipedia should not present Stresemann as a warmonger, What you believe about him is unimportant. Facts and what he said is important. --Molobo 19:06, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Molobo's renewed attempts to overstate Stresemann's "aggressiveness" towards Poland

I just reverted Molobo's latest attempt to distort the description of Stresemann's role. For my rationale, see above. --Thorsten1 17:29, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moved text

Somebody wrote a long text on Stresemann at Stresemann, Gustav (Weimar Era). I couldn't identify it as copyvio through just googling, and moved the text to Talk:Gustav Stresemann/Moved text, where it is available for possible later merging or other use. up+land 20:36, 2 December 2005 (UTC)