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[edit] Facts disputed
The references contradict the teachings of the SGGS, the Sikh holy book and are from sites which are not supported by any official Sikh organisation.
[edit] Last Living Guru
He proclaimed himself the last living Guru (indeed, this was in Nanak's plan)
I'm wondering where this comes from? I know he was proclaimed the last living guru, but where in Nanak's teachings or sayings does it put forth that it was his plan? I don't mean to challenge this view, I would merely like to read further as to this matter. Thanks - Hidoshi 13:13, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
- I'm not 100% sure about this, so I'd vote to remove the "(indeed, this was in Nanak's plan)" until the issue is clarified. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 14:12, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
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- I'd say it's appropriate to remove. It seems far too POV. - Hidoshi 05:07, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
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- Guru Gobind Singh had proclaimed that after him the Guru Granth Sahib would be the Guru and Sikh's would not worship any living being as a guru. The tenets of Sikhism as we know it today are more based on Guru Gobind Singh than Guru Nanak. The 5 K's were not given by Guru Nanak either. It might be Guru Gobind's POV but that is how it is.Haphar 08:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Guru Gobind Singh and Rama
I read somewhere that Guru Gobind Singh had stated that he is a descendant of Lord Rama, through one of his twin sons, Luv. Is this a true statement that is recognized by all Sikhs?
Thanks.
Raj2004 14:36, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- How can you be a decedent of a mythological Hindu god? its not possible --Street Scholar 16:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, Guru Gobind Singh himself wrote about it. It is also mentioned in Sri Guru Granth Sahib.
Please do a proper investigation before positing such bogus claims. There is no relationship between Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Jee and Hindu Ram.
Gobind Singh jee Bani is compiled in Granth named Dasam Granth. A Sikh daily routine of reciting 5 Banis in the morning contains 3 Banis recited by Guru Gobind Singh Jee.
There are many occurrences of word RAM in Sri Guru Granth Sahib and they all refer to Almighty God (Akal-purakh).
Nope that is not true that is what many Hindu extremist groups are saying to convert Sikhs, sad really.
Go to www.sikhlionz.com or go to google and type in sikh lions, then go to one of the top links which is probably called anti Sikh groups or something, read those articles.
- I've heard something along these lines was written in Bichitra Natak. However, I'm in no position to decide whether that's legitimate or not. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 00:20, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, It is true. I request to people who are actually intrested to know shoul read dasham Granth. Where one can find out that Guru Nanak Sahib was from Kush Vansh and and fourth guru fro Sodhi's was from Luv Vansh. There are four Yugas ie Satjug,Dwapar, Treta and finally Kaljug. God had taken Visible forms in all the yug and with seperate powers. Like 16 kala avtar. 9 kala avtar in Kalyug with sarv ie all kala avtar in the form of Shri Guru Nanak Sahib. The same jot ie Spirit transformed to ten gurus. No one can challange that, as the only true path for salvation as was in oldr yugas in Kalyug is Sikkism.
i dnt know about that, but all i know is dat in sikhism not hinduism there are 11 gurus an Gods name is the highest. Our goal in life is to reach God.
Those are just coincedinces, they don't mean anything!
He never said anything relating to this
I want to make it clear that word Ram in Guru Granth Sahib refers to Almighty God not to Rama the Hindu god.
However there are some references about Hindu god Rama but these are to clear the confusion between the Almighty God and Hindu Rama. Sikh Gurus always worshiped the Almighty God and not any Hindu God (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiv, Rama, Krishan etc.). If some people are spreading such rumours then they are wrong and trying to misinterpret the Sikh Gurus And Guru Granth Sahib.
RSS is misinterpreting sikh history.Following are few examples i want to mention:
1) Every sikh knows that it was Gangu Brahmin who cheated Mata Gujri ji and Chhote Sahibzade and informed the Subedaare Sirhind causing their arrest and hence the executions.
RSS is spreading that Gangu was not a brahmin but a muslim Gangu-ul-Haq who did all this.
2) A common misinterpretion that is being spread by RSS and hindu extremist groups is that sikhs don't have any independent existance but they were created as an army to serve hindus.
However hindus themselves don't know who was the founder of "hinduism" and why they are called hindus.
TheSingh 10:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC) TheSingh
[edit] Gobind Singh's age
dont know much about Guru Gobind Singh, but was he only 9 years old when he became Guru? I just feel that he was very young or unlogic to become a leader in such a young age. So the question is actually, are the date of birth and year of becoming a guru correct? Dhirad 23:56, 08 Feb 2006 (UTC)
ANSWER: the age of a person does not determine his wisdom or spirtuality or even his logic.
I didnt ask qustion about his wisdom or spiritualty, only if a 9 year old child is capable of managing the whole sikh army --Dhirad 21:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes and its happened, and it wasen't a army, Guru Gobind Singh Ji created the Khalsa.
[edit] Improvements needed.
This article needs many improvements. i dont think it is upto the acceptable quality. the material is not very well organized , and misses out on many important aspects of guru gobind singh ji's life. There should be more additions to the content and reordering/rewording of the existing content.
[edit] his death
is there any account of gurujis death. if anyone knows it, please tell me on my talk page. thanks. nids 18:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC) i got the answer.nids(♂) 08:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
There was no "death" it was ascension Guru Ji ascended and were never murdered thats completly stupid this article needs to be re done or deleted and we are not related Hinduism what so ever so there is no relationship between Guru Gobind Singh and "Lord Ram"
