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Contents 1 Very poor information on the origin 2 Regarding Origins 3 Defination of Gujarati 4 Gujarati People and Location 5 Gujarati people and India 6 Pictures

[edit] Very poor information on the origin

After reading this article, I have no clue who Gujaratis are. I am left more confused than before. The changes made to the origins were well deserved. It feels as if the Gujaratis dropped out of thin air. In comparison, the article for Marathas has some more detailed information. Eventually, the origin must be elaborated. It is serving no purpose.

Also, shouldn't there be some reference to the tribes, the clans, the rulers, etc. of Gujarat? Manasl 12:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Origins

The entire section on the Origins of Gujaratis need to be redone. The following para which is currently present is blatantly POV.

"Some scholars hold that "Gujar" or "Gujjar" is the Indic term for Khazar. Khazars (or "Gujjars") are reputed to have invaded historic north western India (the former Indus Valley region) — what is now Gujarat and Punjab (in northwestern India and Pakistan). This region was the first to host Aryan-speaking peoples, and their descendants remain in the area. Other scholars connect the name etymologically to "Gurjiya", the Persian name for Georgia, asserting that they were a Georgian contingent affiliated with the Hephthalites who invaded India and settled in Gujarat by 600 CE. Gujarati language has been adopted by communities such as the Parsis who have made the Gujarat region of the Indian subcontinent their home."

Here are the issues with the above para :

1. Starts with "Some scholars ..." - issues : Which scholars? What kind of Scholars? 2. Attributing Khazars as Gurjars - issues : Blatant attempt on re-writing history! 3. Other scholars connect the name etymologically to "Gurjiya" then lead to the Persian name for Georgia - hinting that the Gujaratis are Georgians. - issues : Which scholars again? Further is etymology is an art and not a science! So it cannot be cited as definitive!!!! Third another blatant attempt on re-writing history...

As a Gujarati myself, I take offense that my own history is being re-written! I protest it !!! As such I am removing the content for the origins.

USER:abhijna

there is definetly something wrong with this section. references would be nice...i dont want to delete the information, but it does seem quite iffy! Pirus 03:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

sigh, based on what this discussion page says, the edit page has got to get the axe. Pirus 05:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Defination of Gujarati

There can be two types of Gujarati: 1. Citizen of State of Gujarat in India. No matter what language they speak. 2. People who speak Gujarati as their native tougue.

This page should be primary to identify second category. Chirags 18:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

There is a distiniction between people whose native tongue is gujarati and people who are ethnically gujarati. Are the parsis gujarati or persian ?

Parsis living within Gujarat can be considered Gujaratis. Further, their language has been heavily influenced by the Gujarati language.

65.93.206.241 19:27, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

The list of Gujarati people on this list has grown to be immensely large; is this necessary? Should we have an article similar to this List of people from Gujarat?

[edit] Gujarati People and Location

Gujarat State in India, is a relatively newer creation compared with Gujarati language, or Identity of Gujarat as a region. Chirags 18:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gujarati people and India

Gujarati did origiate with undivided India or rather Indian Subcontinent. To claim them as part of India only would not be right. Chirags 22:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

L.K Advani is not a Gujarati,he is a Sindhi.mahawiki 12:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Who is Umang Seth, Industrialist. Which Industry does he belong to?

[edit] Pictures

-Someone needs to get some pictures of famous Gujaratis to put on the box like they did with the Punjabis, Persians and Pathans. There are tons of guys out there: Gandhi, Sardar Patel, even Jinnah. -User: Afghan Historian

I have added a picture