User talk:Guinnog/Archive 4
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[edit] Nessie
Hard telling what that guy was on about; maybe just a bad hair day. Nessie is a mythical beast, like the unicorn. They can't prove the unicorn doesn't exist, either, I reckon. Wahkeenah 23:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- This discussion inspired me to lookup the Unicorn and to write a short summary of James Thurber's little story, The Unicorn in the Garden, whose moral vaguely applies to the over-reaction of that one guy, or anyone else who appears to be off his meds. :) Wahkeenah 23:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- Sometimes it can be fun to set a verbal trap for someone who's got a rag on. It's a literal application of this old Carnac joke: "Debate." "What do you use to catch de fish?"
[edit] My edit to User talk:Tchadienne
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --Guinnog 23:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tchadienne&curid=5420659&diff=68717837&oldid=68675120
- No personal attacks were made, "samp" is not an insult, and the second half of the reply was obvious light hearted sarcasm. --NEMT 00:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I replied on your talk page, and have removed the NPA warning for now. Please don't make the situation worse. --Guinnog 00:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] hey
thanks for your kind welcome. I want to progress rapidly here, participate and all taht. what should i do. I want to admin and etc.FrenchDude 00:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC) merci
Tnbey deleted my first two2 articles ever wha gives?FrenchDude 01:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC) merci
[edit] Barnstar
Sorry - The rvv for the bot that removed links to deleted userboxes, which for my own reasons I want to keep. Thanks for the award I will keep it on the page in respect of your work on it, although I'm not all that sure I agree the whole concept of them. My circumstances have changed recently and I will probably not be around as often as I was. Jooler 00:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Barnstar
Thanks for the Barnstar. However, please leave a message on my talk page next time, I never realized it until today. --Edtalk c E02:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Thank you
[edit] Rmrfstar's RfA
Thanks for the support concerning my RfA... and not just your vote. If/when I run for adminship again, I'll notify you. -- Rmrfstar 02:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] KarlV
I'm sorry you got caught in the broadly cast net there by Connel MacKenzie. My take on KarlV remains that he should not return until he stops seeing neonazi ghosts everywhere, says so explicitly, apologises for his comments in that direction, and revises his slanderous comments on the German Wikipedia. This is an appropriate request since he attacked pschemp and myself in our capacity as admins on en, rather than editors of de. If he does not admit he has been very, very wrong, he will just cause further dissent between admins and editors, and Wikipedia really doesn't need this. But thanks for taking an interest in the debate. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 09:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, it's a difficult situation, since we don't have a crystal ball. Of course we'd like KarlV to contribute if he's going to be a positive influence, but, well, I guess I'll have to bring this up again in the discussion sooner or later, there is at least one previous example of him edit warring on the German Wikipedia, which was tolerated at the time. [1] If it was just his 3RR and WP:POINT violation, I'd be more likely to agree, but there's also the fact that he's stirred up conflict between the German and English Wikipedias, partly by refusing to translate comments so that they could be properly examined by English Wikipedians, and by refusing to let me translate them for him. The German Wikipedia is definitely more tolerant, and in some ways, this is a good thing. But we're a different animal over here, and we have to deal with this difference. Unsubstantiated neonazi accusations are definitely out of place in either context. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 10:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Gunniog, I appreciate that you think an indef block might be too long. If KarlV apologizes for the neo-nazi insinuations he made, I would be willing to consider a shorter block. So far though, his "apologies" have neither admitted any wrong doing (only to a semantic mistake in English!) and just basically said, I'm sorry you guys are upset with my actions. Real evidence of his understanding of the serious implications of his actions and insinuations would go far here.pschemp | talk 13:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bubble hash
I started an RfC on JR Pietri's behaviour in this article. If you feel I have got it right, please feel free to edit the dispute summary I provided and endorese it. [2] ViridaeTalk 01:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] RfA thanks
Thanks so much for voting, Guinnog!
Thanks so much for your support vote on my request for adminship! With a final vote count of (82/5/0), it succeeded, and I'm now an administrator! I am thrilled with the overwhelming positive support from the community, and sincerely thank you once again for taking your time to voice your opinion. Feel free to contact me with any comments/suggestions in the future!—Mets501 (talk) 03:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC) |
[edit] Goldom's RFA thanks
Thank you for your support on my RFA, which closed successfully this morning with a result of (53/2/1). I've spent the day trying out the new tools, and trying not to mess things up too badly :). I was quite thrilled with all the support, both from the people I see around every day, as well as many users who I didn't know from before, yet wrote such wonderful things about me. I look forward to helping to serve all of you, and the project. Let me know if there's anything I can help you with. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 04:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC) |
[edit] Long overdue Review
Hi Guinnog, I finally managed to get a few good hours to complete my review of your contributions. Its here. First sorry this took so long - my real life commitments have kept me busy recently.
Overall I think you have a great deal to be proud of. The only concern I have, which I outline in the review, is the discussion at Talk:7_World_Trade_Center where you had a couple of moments of less than perfect civility. I also think this is one of those occasions where the issue was probably not worth the amount of effort spent debating it. This is my view only, of course, and I absolutely don't think this should be an impediment to you considering an RfA.
Talking of which, I think you're ready for adminship. You have good, demonstrated knowledge of policy and you are an excellent contributor to the encyclopedia. If you are still interested, I'd be honored to nominate you.
If you decide to go ahead with an RfA then I'd update the review a bit (some of the edit counts are a couple of weeks old) and use it as the basis for my nominating statement.
Good luck, Gwernol 14:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
- No problem at all. Just let me know when you've come to a decision. My opinion is that you'll get strong support in an RfA, but what do I know? I thought mine would be a 50-50 sort of outcome and was very pleasantly surprised to get through unopposed :-) I think you'd be a huge asset to the project as an admin and I believe your peers will see the same virtues in your contributions that I do. Once you are ready in real life to do this, give me the nod. You are exactly right to make sure you have the time available to do this right. All the best, Gwernol 14:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
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- I agree, wait till you have enough time in 'real life' to do it, but other than that I a look at the review Gwernol did for you suggests you're ready. Of course I am an amazingly bad predictor of non-blindingly obvious RFA results, but AFAIK you should be ok. Petros471 15:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Guinnog, RfA + you = Very Good thing. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 07:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- yeah, I know the feeling! :) Sarah Ewart (Talk) 07:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the typos in the review. I've just got back from a few days in Beijing (highly recommended by the way), so I'm ready to get your RfA underway whenever you are. Best, Gwernol 15:11, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Re:Happy holidays
Thanks, and yes I did :) Petros471 15:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion#Portal:Orkney
A Portal created recently by Mallimak (talk • contribs) - the Orkney Portal - has been nominated for deletion. If you wish to take part in the discussion please contribute at:
Thanks. --Mais oui! 08:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- That's one heck of a coincidence! I was just about to press the Save page button on the above message when I received the message from you at my Talk. I am afraid that I strongly disagree with you when you say that he is a "good editor" - he has made so, so many bad faith edits now that his reputation is far beyond redemption for me. --Mais oui! 08:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
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- "I just wish that we could turn his energies into more productive directions" <heh> <heh> - the pained cry of every poor parent on the planet as they gaze in awe at their troubled/troublesome offspring!
- Well, I have no paternal feelings whatsoever towards you-know-who, and I fail to see why we should waste our time weaning him and changing his poopy nappies while he develops a sense of good citizenship and responsibility. --Mais oui! 08:14, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Dear Guinnog, I would just like to make it clear to you, that I never started this altercation with Mais oui! I just wanted to contribute articles about Orkney, a place I know a lot about. Instead, I have found my articles being altered to represent a POV (a POV I do not wish to be inadvertently contributing to). You will surely understand that I do not want my efforts to be twisted to serve someone else’s agenda. Now the situation has escalated to the proposed destruction of pages am I working hard on to create.
- A suggestion has been made as to how to resolve this issue, namely: that if Mais oui! will agree not to edit any article originated by me, in return I will agree not to edit any article originated by Mais oui! I think this would be a fair solution. I just want to get on contributing articles on Orkney unmolested.
- Regards, Mallimak 18:49, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] I GIVE UP!
I have tried to contribute articles on topics about which I have knowledge, such as Orkney, but the articles have been subjected to constant destructive editing, and I have been subjected to repeated harassment, mainly by Mais oui!, that I see no point in continuing.
I have now joined the ever-growing category of disillusioned Wikipedians. Mallimak 01:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'd be sorry to see you leave. In spite of the criticisms I've made of you, I think you could offer a lot to the project. I'd like to talk to you more about that, if you like. Feel free to email me. --Guinnog 01:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unneeded spelling change with AWB...
You changed "humourous" to "humorous" in the Ola Bergner article. Please keep in mind in the future that these type of changes (where there are regional variations in spelling for a word) are discouraged on Wikipedia, and that generally you should keep an article in the spelling style that it was written in. For more info, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (spelling). Thanks. --Esn 01:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC).
- How humorous, can you tell me in which region the word "humourous" is spelled like this? --Paul Le Cont 02:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Humorous vs humourous isn't a regional variation, it's a spelling error. There is no national version of English where 'humourous' is above a tiny minority use. Well done for standing up for regional variation, something I always try to do myself. --Guinnog 01:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- Here is where I attempted to establish that 'humorous' is the main spelling worldwide. I hope you'll find the discussion as compelling as I did. [3] --Guinnog 01:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing me to that link - it was indeed interesting. It might save you some controversy in the future to link to that discussion in your edit comments whenever you change "humourous" to "humorous" if possible - as you said there, it is quite a common spelling on wikipedia. Perhaps that is where I subconsciously picked it up, or perhaps I simply thought it illogical that the commonwealth adjective would use the American spelling as its base. Anyway, thanks for correcting me. I've been using "publically" too - I'm just a trove of bad spelling habits, I guess. I do have a suspicion that those two spelling variations (or errors) are becoming more widespread than they were in the past. The exact location of the line that something has to cross until it ceases being a spelling error and becomes a regional spelling variation has always been a bit murky to me, but I guess I'll leave that one to the experts to figure out (even if I have the nagging suspicion that they haven't got a clue either). Anyway, good day to you. :) --Esn 03:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC).
- Here is where I attempted to establish that 'humorous' is the main spelling worldwide. I hope you'll find the discussion as compelling as I did. [3] --Guinnog 01:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- Humorous vs humourous isn't a regional variation, it's a spelling error. There is no national version of English where 'humourous' is above a tiny minority use. Well done for standing up for regional variation, something I always try to do myself. --Guinnog 01:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
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- My pleasure, but it seems there will be no need (see above). Congirl 12:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] IRC
Do you use IRC? If so are you able to go online now? Petros471 11:54, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- I can go on now for a short time. I'll hang around in the wikipedia channel, you can grab me there now if you are free. Petros471 21:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Related: did you receive my reply to your email from today? That may tell us if its just Petros or something at your end. Gwernol 17:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I got yours ok Gwernol. I also exchanged a few emails with Petros earlire on the same account, so I can't see where the problem lies. Thinking. --Guinnog 17:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Thank you!
Thank you for the Barnstar! Now I'd better knuckle down and actually earn it!
Btw, take a look at Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_20#Category:Botswana_educators - for a Botswana/Botswanan debate you may like to comment on... :-) JackyR | Talk 16:57, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Sorry Guinnog
My brother got onto Wikipedia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boshalladay (talk • contribs).
- No worries. Remember to log off before leaving him on your computer the next time! --Guinnog 00:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] RfA nomination
I've put your RfA nomination up at: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Guinnog. When you are ready to accept, please answer the standard questions, sign the nomination and let me know and I'll add it to the RfA page. Alternatively since we're in different time zones, you can add it yourself after accepting, but remember to update the date and time when you do so. Good luck, though I don't think you'll need it as your record stands for itself. Gwernol 07:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for all your hard work in preparing this nomination, and for the kind things you say about me in it. Best wishes, --Guinnog 12:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- I thought you might like to know that I chose to support your RfA [4]. --Durin 15:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] AWBoholics
Don't worry, you ain't the only AWBoholic. ;) --Andeh 21:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rvv
Thanks, Rich Farmbrough 21:18 24 August 2006 (GMT).
- No problem. --Guinnog 21:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Thanks
Thank you very much for your help and support, Guinnog. You're my hero! Sarah Ewart (Talk) 16:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I am, but the RfA process is a bit scary. I need to work my courage up! Yours has really shocked me...I really didn't think anyone (cept maybe Massiveego) would oppose you. I think your responses have been really good, though. Really calm and mature. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 16:19, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] A380
Yes I do, I am trying to find it. Its on Flight International and I am going through their archives. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bangabalunga (talk • contribs).
[edit] AfD on pro-american sentiment
Not sure if this is really allowed but since your the only person on wiki I've really got talking to so far I would just like to ask you to look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pro-American sentiment I have nominated this for deletion and there is very small opposition, just wanted your thoughts! thanks --Frogsprog 20:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sorry
Sorry about the message at the top, I had started posting messages at the top since I noticed it being done like that. I'll bear it in mind, thanks --Frogsprog 20:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Yes we have no bananas
Just a note to say my concern about fully sourcing things as much as possible really relates to other more contentious articles. Had a bit more fun with searching which brought me some nostalgic stuff about other local history, and one link about conditions when the block was fairly new. No doubt other improved references can be added as resources permit. Thanks for doing so much with a wee bit of Leith's "heritage" :) ..dave souza, talk 06:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] situation!
this situation is making me extremely frustrated, tom is removing my section whilst leaving another, more POV section in the article, I have compromised by tagging both POV! and citing quote sources in "discrimination", how could the removal be possibly justified now! --Frogsprog 13:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] RFA thanks
Thanks so much for your support on my RFA, which closed successfully this morning with a result of (64/3/3). I will be stepping lightly at first trying to make sure I don't mess up too badly using the tools. Any further advice/guidance will be gratefully accepted. I hope I will live up to your trust! NawlinWiki 11:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC) talk contribs} |
[edit] Humourous
Is it spelled this way in British English? I notice you have a bot making the change from this to Humorous. Is it Humour but Humorous? I ask because I have recently reverted the bots change on Falcon (sport) assuming the u is not lost with the addition of -ous. (John User:Jwy talk) 15:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I similarly came here after your bot edited Tech Tabloid, and have subsequently read the other comments on thsi in another section and Wikipedia_talk:Typo#Dictionary.com. I think that a reference to this discussion in the edit comment would be helpful.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.25.22.11 (talk • contribs).
- Thank you both. I'll certainly do something of the sort next time. --Guinnog 10:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Band is Anti-Heros, not Anti-Heroes
The proper spelling of American Oi! band is Anti-Heros. I'm not sure if you're the same person who keeps changing it to Anti-Heroes, but it has incorrectly been altered many times. http://www.geocities.com/anti_heros_oi/index.html Spylab 18:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)Spylab
- I don't think so, but I'll certainly bear that in mind in the future. Why not put an invisible note to editors on the page you are concerned about? I can help you with this if necessary. --Guinnog 19:02, 27 August 2006
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- Yes, that would be great if you could let me know how to do that. Would that prevent changes by spelling bots? I don't know how those work.Spylab 12:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)Spylab
[edit] RfA message
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[edit] Spellmaster
Your Spellmaster bot appears to be translating British English into American English (see this edit, this edit) as forbidden by the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (spelling). As all the edits seem to involve the word "humourous/humorous", I'm guessing that this is just a mistake, but I would just like to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Thanks! smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 18:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Barnstar
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | ||
For fearless maintenance of objective clarity in furthering "free access to the sum of all human knowledge" Tyrenius 03:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC) |
- Thank you so much Tyrenius. I've added it to my trophy cabinet where I will display it with pride. --Guinnog 09:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] SmackBot and ISBN
I've noticed your bot making changes to a lot of book articles. Can you point me to a standard for quoting ISBN, as I've (wrongly?) always just quoted them as one long number in articles I write. If this is wrong, I'd like to be able to improve how I do it. Thanks --Guinnog 10:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- They are based on a table found on the ISBN Agency's web site here. I assume you know that the first part is language group, the second publisher (within lang group) the third a serial number and the last a check digit.
Regards, Rich Farmbrough 13:21 29 August 2006 (GMT).
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- Gosh! Fascinating. Thank you. No, apart from the checksum I didn't know any of that. --Guinnog 13:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
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- I didn't know that either! Guinnog, I replied to that last RfA-related comment you left on my talk page via email (sorry it got a bit long). Sarah Ewart (Talk) 13:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Thanks in return
Thanks for the revert on my userpage. Best, Gwernol 15:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- You're very welcome. Thanks for the input elsewhere as well. --Guinnog 16:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Listen motherfucker
I come from texas where where we talk straight, we don't need any of this pussy talk. Nothing bad is meant by it so why the fuck do you care? And I was right, not you. This is just the way I talk, stay friends. 212.158.254.22 22:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Regardless of where you come from, we have standards here. Please review WP:CIVIL; edit summaries containing 'moron', and calling other editors 'mother-fucker', are simply not conducive to building an encyclopedia. Please remember this. --Guinnog 22:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] RfA over soon
Ya RfA closes soon, it's up to the B' if it passes. Good luck.--Andeh 10:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well I guess the closing B' will have a look through the oppose reasons to see if they are significant enough. Don't get your hopes up though.--Andeh 10:10, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah just a few minutes or a few hours depending on whether or not any of them are awake and online. This has to be the closest RFA I remember (one that I've watched closely anyway) with good (and not so good) reasons given on both sides... Petros471 10:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Looks like the B' liked ya! :D --Andeh 17:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
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- I was just wondering, does it get annoying that your new messages banner is always there because of all the congrats?--Andeh 17:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Congratulations
I just noticed that Taxman closed your RfA as being successful. Well done and good luck with the mop and bucket. Here's a pint of Guinnog to soothe your fevered nerves. --Cactus.man ✍ 12:34, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Congratulations
You're now an admin. After weighing the evidence there was enough and substantial support for your promotion. Continue to take the comments in opposition into account to the extent that you can use them to improve. Do your best to keep up with policy and best practices by re-reading the policy before acting and discussing anything problematic on the administrators noticeboard or other related place. As you get comfortable with the new tools dig in and help out with the back logs. A lot of people were very confident in your trustworthiness, so don't let them down! Congrats and have fun helping out. - Taxman Talk 12:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yay I'm the first (excluding the obvious ^^^) CONGRATS!!!!! - GIen 12:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
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I, Glen give you Guinnog this delicious traditional Kiwi Pavlova as CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR PROMOTION! Great to have you on board!! - GIen 12:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC) |
- Meh, I didn't get here first. I never seem to manage that... Oh well, congrats all the same! It was really a knife edge wait... Petros471 12:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
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- You take a few minutes away from Wikipedia to take a shower and look what happens :-) Congratulations indeed. Welcome to janitor-hood. Best, Gwernol 12:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Congratulations! Cheers -- Samir धर्म 12:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Thank you all very much for your support and congratulations. I will thank all participants properly when I can; I didn't prepare anything as I quite honestly didn't expect to succeed. Wow! The pint of Guinness sounds a good idea! --Guinnog 13:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- I did not support your candidacy, but I have a better feeling than most candidates that I oppose that you're going to take the issues and concerns raised on board, and I look forward to working with you. Every best wish for your success. ++Lar: t/c 13:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Squeeeeeak! - CrazyRussian talk/email 14:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Congratulations! If you ever need anyone to take some heat off you in difficult cases, let me know. Stephen B Streater 15:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
You are welcome I'm glad. I know you'll do well. :) Dlohcierekim 15:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I am not the first here, but I get to say "Hooray!" anyway. HOORAY! — President Lethe 15:10, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations on your promotion, and you're very welcome! --Merovingian - Talk 15:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- You're welcome, and congratulations! Jayjg (talk) 15:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Glad to support you. I assume you're buying all your supporters a Guinness, right? Outriggr 18:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations, Guinnog! I know you'll be a great admin! Baseball,Baby! balls•strikes 19:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations. Although I opposed, I think it's very likely I was wrong this time. Happy editing! -- SCZenz 01:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Galapagosland
Where you from? Galapagosland 15:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)Galapagosland
- Not that it should matter, Wikipedia being an international project, I'm from Scotland. Why do you ask? --Guinnog 16:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] John Steinbeck edit
Oops. Right you are. I must have hit the wrong button or something. Sorry. JFPerry 17:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)