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I tried removing the colon in the "National Holiday" link a while back for two reasons:

  1. None of the other headings there have colons after them
  2. Without the colon within the link, it points to a valid page. With it there, it does not.

This get reverted by Boffin. I'm not going to put it back as I'm sure there must be a good reason there and I hate the idea of edit wars, but I would like to solicit other people's opinions on this. There are three choices are far as I can see - does anyone have any comments or opinions on this:

  1. Leave as is with the colon within the link brackets
  2. Take the colon out of the link brackets but leave it there in the table
  3. Remove the colon altogether (this is my personal opinion)

-- Darkhorse 00:07, 2003 Nov 13 (UTC)

Looking at the Edit History, you caught Boffin in the middle of a flurry of editing and (s)he didn't merge the conflict properly. I'd suggest redoing your edit and only if (s)he reverts it again, suspect foul play. -- Darac 20:56, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Good point, and something that I'd not noticed. I'll put it back for the moment and watch future actions. Of course, anyone is welcome to add their opinion here and I will take it into account completely. -- Darkhorse 21:03, 2003 Nov 13 (UTC)

I've just editied a few details (acceptance of sterling currency, language, animal) and fixed the table formatting. But I'm very new to wikiing plus I've spent all day writing so my word-producing glands are kind of tired, so feel free to de-edit me. N3d 18:08, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Don't worry - your edit was fine. Welcome!
James F. (talk) 23:15, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I could contribute a picture or two of Guernsey, if you think that would be appropriate. I took some during my recent visit, including some nice shots from a private plane. Taken by myself, so no copyright problem.

Norb 20:24, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Guernsey and the UK

Is their a sense in which the UK is itself is a crown dependency? Or: is there another sense in which Guernsey might have co-equal status with the UK? Laurel Bush 16:46, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC).

This bit should be removed or updated as Guernsey's not park of the UK. "This said, Guernsey is statistically the sunniest place in the UK."

I notice that the above line has been changed to: "This said, if Guernsey were part of the United Kingdom, it would be statistically the sunniest place in the region." Not only does this not really make any sense but I can't find any evidence to suggest that it is true. Unless anyone has a reference to the contrary I suggest that this line is removed from the article. Blacknightshade 23:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

And if Guernsey were part of Norway... I've updated the weather from Guernsey Met with actual sunshine stats to replace the offending statement. Man vyi 07:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bailiwick or Guernsey

I think that there are two different things going on here.

I think that the Bailiwick and Guernsey-taken-alone should have separate articles, as this leads to confusion.--MacRusgail 13:54, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I think it would certainly be clearer for the innocent reader. I did a double-take the first time I spotted that, per List of countries by highest point, Guernsey's highest point is in Sark. And an earlier version of this here article stated that Guernsey had a railway and two airports, which was a trifle misleading for those not familiar with Guernsey's quasi-federal system. Bailiwick of Guernsey currently redirects; I'd support having one article for an overview of the Bailiwick and another for the Island of Guernsey. Man vyi 14:50, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
I can see another source of confusion, the box listing "parishes of Guernsey" - if we're talking Bailiwick, Sark and Alderney are included, if Isle of Guernsey, than they're not. --MacRusgail 20:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Lt Gov

Biographical info on new Lieutenant Governor from Guernsey Press here Man vyi 11:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Guernsey not Sarnia?

From the article, I see "It was formerly thought that the Island's original name was Sarnia, but recent research shows that to have been the Latin name for Sark.".

Could we have a reference for this, please? I've never heard of this before; it's certainly not common knowledge, even in the Islands, and I can't find a link on the web so far ... so although it sounds reasonable, I tend to doubt it.

It was added here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Guernsey&diff=29593232&oldid=29592687 by a non-logged-in user 62.31.87.10 who appears to make useful edits ... YojimboSan 10:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that's probably from Lepelley's Noms de lieux de Normandie, (René Lepelley, 1999 Paris ISBN 2862532479), although Coates' The Ancient and Modern Names of the Channel Islands (Richard Coates, 1991 Stamford ISBN 187161516X) comes down for Sarnia originally referring to Herm, and Lisia or Lesia being Guernsey. Man vyi 11:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

The non-logged in user is me prior to signing up, and it's something that surfaces in the GEP every so often. James Marr's History of Guernsey(July 16, 1982, Phillimore & Co Ltd ISBN: 0850334594) refers to it as well, I think, but don't have my copy to hand. Mon Vier 21/03/06

Lepelley actually (now I have my copy to hand) comes down in favour of Guernsey being Caesarea - or rather Caesia (the green one) - and Sarmia (corrupted as Sarnia) being Alderney. The Sark=Sarnia hypothesis must be the one involving the 'Sargia' variant, but whose name to put to it eludes me without recourse to a library. All this depends on how one reads the Antonine Itinerary. Between us, we probably should have a go at laying out the tangled web of CI historical toponymy in the Channel Islands article. Man vyi 19:31, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Fair do's. I'll have a mooch in the Guille-Alles tomorrow, if I get the chance. Mon Vier 21/03/06
Thanks for your attention, guys. It might be nice to start a new page to hold the details of the various references and to address the disagreements; and to link it in from each of the Islands' pages. The respective Sociétés would probably have interesting viewpoints, too. If you want a hand, drop me a line. YojimboSan 05:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I've summarised various theories on the Latin names question over at nrm:Îles d'la Manche for those who are interested. Man vyi 10:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that page Man vyi, it's nice to see some clear references. It would be nice to see it in English as well, but Jèrriais doesn't seem to be too difficult to read :-) I'm still not clear how the Antonine Itinerary relates, though; I can't see any Channel Islands references in the online version linked from the wikipedia page. YojimboSan 02:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I've done a merge on the Antonine Itinerary which was giving a rather Britanno-centric impression. The linked online extract only covers roads in Britain. The islands are in the part called the Maritime Itinerary that gives the sea routes. Man vyi 05:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coat of Arms

User 80.229.238.161 made the following comment in place of the coat of arms image in the main article. I have reverted the article and moved the comment here.

"The Coat of arms is wrong; it is differenced from the arms of Jersey (and England) by the addition of a sprig. See, for example <www.ngw.nl/int/cha/guernsey.htm>."

I leave someone else to update the image if appropriate. TrevorD 18:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

He's right, even if it's not the best way to go about it. The arms need a sprig. Mon Vier 00:21 30 April 2006

User 62.147.18.123 has also made a similar comment:

Please note that the Coat of Arms opposite is incorrect. It should have a sprig of leaves on top to distinguish it from the otherwise identical arms of Jersey and of England. A correct image can be found at, inter alia, http://monedasybilletes.iespana.es/images/escguern.jpg.

Again, altho' correct, the comment is not in an appropriate place, so I've again removed it. TrevorD 21:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

If no-one else can manage to dig up a correct image of the CoA, I've provided the best non-copyvio version I have to hand. Somebody please replace it with a better image asap. Merci bian! Man vyi 09:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

I note that this article doesn't have a references section. Could I request that the main contributors add in their citations? Thanks, Walkerma 05:27, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Economy

The Economic section states there's a several million pound "black hole" but does not explain its meaning. Could this be expanded upon? Kinglag 04:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC) as from 2008 we will not be taxing companies, we will then have a big tax shortfall to cover. the states of guernsey are running around trying to find ways to fill in this £4000000 per year without taxing us normal people to death.

[edit] Sport - comment moved from article

Statement from local: Sharna Lowery. I find it horrible that my homeland can't patisapate in the home nations as it own and top athletic people FROM OUR COUNTRY have to benifete by joining the U.K. Why can't the Channel Isles be premmittede to enter the Home Nations, as the CHANNEL ISLES. We could have athletes from Guernsey, Jersey, Sark, Alderney and Herm. And repersent like that sure we might not stand a chance but at least we can have the pride of knowing that Channel Isles is standing on its own and competing in the national games. I don't know if i speak for all but i know i am speaking for me, my family and friends.

[edit] Location maps available for infoboxes of European countries

On the WikiProject Countries talk page, the section Location Maps for European countries had shown new maps created by David Liuzzo, that are available for the countries of the European continent, and for countries of the European Union exist in two versions. From November 16, 2006 till January 31, 2007, a poll had tried to find a consensus for usage of 'old' or of which and where 'new' version maps. Please note that since January 1, 2007 all new maps became updated by David Liuzzo (including a world locator, enlarged cut-out for small countries) and as of February 4, 2007 the restricted licence that had jeopardized their availability on Wikimedia Commons, became more free. At its closing, 25 people had spoken in favor of either of the two presented usages of new versions but neither version had reached a consensus (12 and 13), and 18 had preferred old maps.
As this outcome cannot justify reverting of new maps that had become used for some countries, seconds before February 5, 2007 a survey started that will be closed soon at February 20, 2007 23:59:59. It should establish two things: Please read the discussion (also in other sections α, β, γ, δ, ε, ζ, η, θ) and in particular the arguments offered by the forementioned poll, while realizing some comments to have been made prior to updating the maps, and all prior to modifying the licences, before carefully reading the presentation of the currently open survey. You are invited to only then finally make up your mind and vote for only one option.
There mustnot be 'oppose' votes; if none of the options would be appreciated, you could vote for the option you might with some effort find least difficult to live with - rather like elections only allowing to vote for one of several candidates. Obviously, you are most welcome to leave a brief argumentation with your vote. Kind regards. — SomeHuman 19 Feb 2007 00:24 (UTC)

[edit] Economy

Moved from article. This comment refers to the first paragraph in the economy section. Tra (Talk) 21:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The paragraph above contains a misinterpretion. The government of Guernsey does not finance its spending by printing money ("interest free" or otherwise). Guernsey notes and coins do exist, but they are not some special way of financing government spending. Taxes are lower in Guernsey than in the United Kingdom because government spending in Guernsey is lower, as a percentage of the economy, than it is in the United Kingdom. Before World War Two taxes and government spending in Guernsey were a lot lower than they are now.

The paragraph below it was added separately: Tra (Talk) 21:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The paragraph above contains misinformation. Printing their own debt-free money is the best economic option for any government. Central banks are private institutions and a curse for any country. Guernsey enjoys a high-quality level of life cause they were smart enough not to have a central bank. Every country should follow its example.

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