User talk:Grover cleveland

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have new messages (last change).

Welcome!

Hello Grover cleveland, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome!  --Flockmeal 01:40, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] User name

Why do you have this user name?? Georgia guy 01:41, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Because I admire Grover Cleveland Grover cleveland 01:51, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Willem Mengelberg

I saw your edits and your question. Your edits did solve the POV problem. Thanks. gidonb 05:35, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for edit summary

Hi. I am a bot, and I am writing to you with a request. I would like to ask you, if possible, to use edit summaries a bit more often when you contribute. The reason an edit summary is important is because it allows your fellow contributors to understand what you changed; you can think of it as the "Subject:" line in an email. For your information, your current edit summary usage is 17% for major edits and 48% for minor edits. (Based on the last 150 major and 27 minor edits in the article namespace.)

This is just a suggestion, and I hope that I did not appear impolite. You do not need to reply to this message, but if you would like to give me feedback, you can do so at the feedback page. Thank you, and happy edits, Mathbot 08:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi! I am doing a project on Grover Cleveland and I was wondering if you could tell me anything about his greatest accomplishments and how he changed the world (or US). Thanks! I need it fast. WordWhiz 02:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I would love your help.

Hi,

I know you are interested in christianity, and I recently started a new wiki over at wikicities which is on the subject of christianity. [1] is the site.

The goal is to have a knowledgebase on christianity from a distinctly "C(hristian)POV" rather than the NPOV. It is not meant to be a mere Christian Encyclopedia, but to foster a real sense of community. I'd like to include things like current events, news, stories, and anything that would add to both an understanding of Christianity, but also its enjoyment. I'm looking for help to build a resource that could really enrich the lives of Christians.

I know you are busy but I am actively seeking new sysops/admins to help me build this site up, and I would be positively thrilled if you could contribute in any capacity whatsoever. nsandwich 01:08, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Günther Herbig

I have announced your article in the stub section of Portal:Germany/New article announcements. If you write more about German conductors or turn a related stub into an article, please announce your article there. Thank you, and happy editing! Kusma (討論) 18:50, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll do my best, although I can't guarantee anything! Probably better to keep an eye on Category:German conductors. Grover cleveland 06:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] James Levine

Greetings: just wanted to let you know that I caught someone making libelous statements on the James Levine page; I have reverted them and sprotected the page. Somewhat to my surprise, there were numerous deleted revisions in the article history, so this has been going on for a while, probably all by the same person: I noticed that you were one of the people active in removing the junk, so thank you! By the way, good work on all the conductor articles. Antandrus (talk) 01:32, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Grover cleveland 02:23, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NBC Symphony Orchestra

It's a great shot of Toscanini, and the recording comes from the first or second year of the NBCSO. Okay, well, I'll try something different. Pepso 17:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Might be appropriate on the Arturo Toscanini page, if not for copyright problems. See WP:FU. It would have to accompany a critical discussion of the recording(s) featured on the CD. Grover cleveland 06:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rachmaninoff's "signature"

Rachmaninoff ended some of his major works musically with a rhythmic pattern - a long, two shorts and a long (as in the endings of the Second and Third Piano Concertos) or three shorts and a long (as in the ending of the Second Symphony), which is sometimes thought to relate to the prononunciation of his surname (RACH-man-in-OFF).

I can see how that rhythm fits in with the rhythm of his name, but do we know that this isn't any more than a coincidence? I must say I'd never heard this before, and I've read a lot about him and his works. Do you have a reference? Cheers JackofOz 09:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

It's a common story that I've heard many times among musicians. I didn't insert this para in the article -- in fact I toned it down from an older version which definitively asserted that Rach put the rhythm in because it fits his name. You can delete it if you like. Grover cleveland 16:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Blue Panther strikes again...

I thought you would like to know that User:Far2steep has taken content from the deleted "The Blue Panther" article and put it on Blupantha and blanked Blue Panther so he/she could put the information from the deleted article there too. I am not exactly sure where to go from here.--Darren Jowalsen 22:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks -- I've AfD'd it. Grover cleveland 23:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brooklyn Symphony

Hi Grover! Excuse the questioin, but I'm pretty new to Wikipedia and I'm not sure what "commenting out" something means. Could you enlighten me? I see you're involved in several of the symphonic and conductor pages! I've just been glancing around and doing some copyediting and minor additions on a few of them, so I'm sure I'll see you around more. MarkBuckles 14:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Look at the diff for my edit and you'll see what I did. Grover cleveland 15:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] afd page

Hello. I see you nominated Cloud 7 for Afd, however you forgot to use the {{afd2}} template on the afd page, so it wasn't being listed correctly. I have fixed this, just letting you know for again. Regards, MartinRe 20:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Grover cleveland 20:57, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Illegal immigration

I like your comment about <<Novel assertion that "immigration" only refers to legal immigration needs to be backed up>>". This passage had me foxed too. I think that immigration, legal or not, is a term that's been around for a long time. It think some folks like the term "illegal alien" instead as it sounds more offical, legal and perhaps sexier. Wallie 21:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elizabeth Harwood

Hello, i am the author of de:Elizabeth Harwood and fr:Elizabeth Harwood, and although i could roughly translate either version into english, i'd prefer somebody else to do it. Don't you sincerely think it's a shame that one of the most beautiful voices ever to have come out of an english-speaking country (imo) has still not gained recognition here ? The same goes actually for Robert Lloyd (singer) - see de:Robert Lloyd. Cheers, RCS 08:20, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Since you seem to think fit to answer, shall i turn to somebody else ? I am quite disappointed. RCS 07:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Sure, go ahead. AAfraid I don'thave time for this right now. Grover cleveland 15:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Beethoven's 9th

Hey! I noticed you pointed out on the symphony's entry, that Böhm's recording of the 9th is not the longest recording in duration. Which is the longest? And how long is it? Is it any good (supposing you've heard it)? Atavi 21:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

This one is supposed to be twice as slow as any other version! I'm happy to say that I've not heard it. Grover cleveland 21:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm dumbfounded. I really wonder if what the conductor's theories (for want of a better word) have any standing. Perhaps we could copy this link to the article's talk page (I doubt it belongs to the main article) Atavi 14:18, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hey and way to go

Since our editing paths crossed several times, I began looking at your contributions and feel that I should congratulate you for their general usefulness and impact. And I have more than once started exploring pages that I would edit, from your contributions. So, cheers Atavi 13:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright

Thank you- I really need to keep better informed on the subject full-stop! Schissel | Sound the Note! 18:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Daniel Barenboim

Hello,

Could you please explain why you removed the "highly POV material"? Was it written in a biased manner? I believe not. I think an article about a musician should include primarily a discussion about his music rather than boring facts about his life, what pieces he recorded, etc. Stating such opinions is in accordance with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Characterizing opinions of people's work.

Gidip 09:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I replied to your question on the Daniel Barenboim discussion page. Briefly, the problems were that your material did not include any verifiable citation information and included what appeared to be personal opinions. Grover cleveland 09:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rubinstein and Horowitz

LorenzoPerosi1898 is fooling around with the Rubinstein and Horowitz articles again. Is there a way to get him banned? THD3 17:26, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I've requested administrator intervention here. Grover cleveland 01:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I have reason to believe this person is actually Leonardo Ciampa, who has also contributed to articles about himself, and recommended his own book (published by a vanity publisher) in an article about Pope Puis XIITHD3 01:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Interesting. Thanks. Grover cleveland 03:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Better understanding WP:NPOV and WP:V

There is a general misunderstanding of late as to the true intent of WP:NPOV and WP:V. To state a "fact" (or, if you prefer, a "generally held belief") which is supported by virtually all sources and contradicted by few if any, it is not appropriate to slap a "[citation needed]" tag on, just for one's jollies. "Abraham Lincoln was one of the greatest presidents." One DOES NOT have to provide a source for such a statement!!! There is where y'all are a little unclear about the rules here. To even attempt to name "one source" for the above comment about Lincoln is ridiculous. If, instead, you know of a source that contradicts it, it is your onus to find one. Perhaps you also disagree that Lincoln was the 16th president. If you think he was the 15th or 17th, go prove it. Slapping [citation needed] here and there might be enjoyable to you, but that is not the appropriate response to accepted fact. This clarification is intended not towards any one editor in particularly, but clearly it has become a trend, and a very immature one. Best, LorenzoPerosi1898 00:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Lorenzo. I'm tired of arguing this point with you. If you look on your user talk page you'll see that quite a few other users agree with me on this one. Bye. Grover cleveland 01:03, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
One source for Lincoln as one of the greatest presidents? Easy. Fall 1985 Issue of Presidential Studies Quarterly, specifically the article entitled Rating Presidents and Diplomats in Chief. There. Done. Now nobody has to waste the time of editors adding a "[citation needed]", because there's now a credible third-party source that says Lincoln was one of the greatest presidents. It's as simple as that. Someone may also post that Lincoln was one of the worst presidents ever, provided they have a source. Your example stating that Lincoln is one of greatest presidents is simply an opinion. It's a widely shared opinion, but it is not an "accepted fact". Accepted by whom? Him being the 16th president on the other hand is a fact found in most general reference sources and is easily locatable by anyone - it's undebatable and will never change. Greatest president on the other hand is, as I've mentioned, simply the opinion or the Point of View of a large number of people, which could even change over time.
That's why there is no "accepted fact" on Wikipedia and why the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. We report what other reliable sources have published, whether or not we regard the material as accurate. Articles should contain only material that has been published by reliable sources, regardless of whether individual editors view that material as true or false. Any reader must be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, because Wikipedia does not publish original thought or original research. It's really not a difficult concept to understand. Yankees76 20:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leonardo Ciampa source edits/clarifications

Nicely handled, thanks. LorenzoPerosi1898 01:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your input

Would be appreciated here. Thanks :) Glen 09:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Glen S

Results are in (you'll never guess) Glen 04:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Grover, just so you know, I have now indef blocked User:LorenzoPerosi1898. I'm sorry you had to endure the malicious accusations and fabricated "evidence" against you from this user. I'm exceptionally glad that your good name (and of course Glen's) has been cleared in this matter. Best, Gwernol 04:39, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
No problem. Thanks for your help! Grover cleveland 04:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
If you want clevegrove@mail.com as a souvenir of the last week, I've taken over the account (just to avoid any future returns). Let me know! Yankees76 05:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bruckner's 3rd Symphony

I have been researching Bruckner's 3rd (specifically, differences in the first movement in revisions). While searching for recordings, came across this wiki entry and had some questions for you:

How did you come to the conclusion that the George Szell/Cleveland Orchestra version was the 1890 (Raettig?) version? I followed it to rehearsal E on the first movement and they matched up (with the 1889 Nowak). Were you looking at a different movement when you determined that the Szell/Cleveland performance differed from the score? My e-mail is rtalley@iastate.edu I would appreciate any help you might be able to offer, I'm writing a term paper currently on the subject. Lastly, great writing!! Its great to have educated people contribute so much to a free knowledge source!!!

(Also, sorry if I'm not doing this entry correctly, never have posted anything before! Need to get an account someday...)

71.7.56.216 20:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: Do you know if the 1890 Raettig and the 1889 Nowak editions differ in the first movement? I only have the 1889 Nowak so I can't check how close they are.

71.7.56.216 21:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

PS Sorry for all the spelling mistakes... ug, making me look bad.

[edit] late reply

Grover C: Thanks for your note a while back about references. Apologies that this reply is very belated; I'm still kind of figuring out the system here. I'll see how well I can keep up with updating classical music entries. Thanks again, DJRafe


[edit] St. Paul

I have reverted your edits because I think, in the first case, you mistake the nature of the assertion which is simply about the number of words which can be counted in the pages of the NT. The second issue relates to the meaning of the word arguably. It is such a well-recognised point that I can think no scholars who disagree. Even if Acts was written in 64 this is ten years of more after St. Paul is held to have written his letters. Please tell me who your scholars are who disagree. Roger Arguile 11:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I've replied on the Paul of Tarsus talk page. Grover cleveland 20:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christoph Eschenbach

Thanks for taking notice of the Eschenbach page. I don't know if you had a chance to look at the previous versions. From one person's alias, "Montco", I believe that that refers to Montgomery County, which is just outside of Philadelphia. The tone of the article at that point was definitely pro-Eschenbach and not quite to wikipedia standard. I tried to make the article seem more even handed, but I'm not sure how well I succeeded. From what I understand, it has been quite a controversial issue in Philadelphia, especially with the tone of those posts toward the one critic, Dobrin. Best, DJRafe, 05:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Request for edit summary

When editing an article on Wikipedia there is a small field labeled "Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this:

Edit summary text box

The text written here will appear on the Recent changes page, in the page revision history, on the diff page, and in the watchlists of users who are watching that article. See m:Help:Edit summary for full information on this feature.

Filling in the edit summary field greatly helps your fellow contributors in understanding what you changed, so please always fill in the edit summary field, especially for big edits or when you are making subtle but important changes, like changing dates or numbers. Thank you. – Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emil Gilels

I appreciate your input as to your musical taste regarding Gilel's stature as one of the greatest pianists of the 20 th century. While you may regard this as "over enthusiastic," my addition was supported by one of the pages used as a reference in the article. If you really have an objection, you are better advised to express your reservations in the discussion page. I would revert your edits until you act in a civil manner. User:67.83.90.10

Hi there.
  • Please sign your edits in talk pages.
  • Your original addition said that Gilels "is regarded as one of the greatest pianists of all time" [2] and gave no source. The link to which I presume you are referring to says that "The unexpected death of Emil Gilels in 1985 at the age of 68 robbed the world of one of the most significant pianists of the twentieth century". "Greatest of all time" is not the same as "most significant of the 20th century". Note that you did not cite this page inline as is recommended for such value judgments. Note also that this link is to an Emil Gilels tribute site.
  • I described your edit as "over enthusiastic" and "unsupported". It was unsupported because you didn't provide an inline citation. "Over enthusiastic" is justified because even the Emil Gilels tribute site to which you refer uses significantly less gushing language to describe Gilels. Your suggestion that I am not acting in a "civil manner" is totally unjustified.
  • I note that you did not in fact revert my changes: instead you replaced your original language that Gilels "is regarded as one of the greatest pianists of all time" with a statement that "Gilels is regarded as one of the most significant pianists of the twentieth century" [3] although again there is no inline citation. Therefore your claim taht you "reverted" my edit is itself disingenuous.
  • For the record I personally agree with you that Gilels is one of the greatest pianists of all time. However on Wikipedia we are not allowed to inject opinions like that without backing them up with sources, as you are probbably aware.
Grover cleveland 19:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding edits made to Alexamenos graffito

Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia, Grover cleveland! However, your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove spam from Wikipedia. If you were trying to insert a good link, please accept my creator's apologies, but note that the link you added, matching rule \bexample\.com, is on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. Please read Wikipedia's external links policy for more information. If the link was to an image, please read Wikipedia's image tutorial on how to use a more appropriate method to insert the image into an article. If your link was intended to promote a site you own, are affiliated with, or will make money from inclusion in Wikipedia, please note that inserting spam into Wikipedia is against policy. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! Shadowbot 06:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rephrase at Saenz

Thanks for the pointer at Saenz v. Roe. I rephrased the sentence in question. Hopefully, it's okay now.Ferrylodge 17:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] de Sabata

I drifted in from WP:PR, and made some changes consistent with WP:LEAD. However, you obviously know much more about the subject, so please edit the introduction to correct any things I may have highlighted too much, or any important things I may have omitted. I basically just cut together an overview based on what you already had written. Kaisershatner 15:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! As far as I can see your edit is fine, as long as there is no fair use problem with using a CD cover in the lead of the article. Grover cleveland 15:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OR @ Jesus tomb

Hi. It may interesting for you to read [4]. It's just another point of view. And it's related to out debate. I don't say it's an argument, I don't say you are wrong based on this link. (I don't know nothing about the site or the author). But I think it's worth reading, even only to see someones arguments. I hope you'll not missjudge me by this. Cheers. adriatikus | 01:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Adriatikus -- thanks for the link. I looked through it briefly. I'm not sure what its relevance is to the OR dispute at The Lost Tomb of Jesus. My argument is that citations should be made for the claim that the movie's findings contradict various Christian beliefs. Are you suggesting that this article supplies such citations? Grover cleveland 02:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kudos are due to GC

Hello, GC!

I just ran across this edit, so I want to say thank you. You patched up one of my pet peeves – one I don't always have the energy to correct. Do you have a copy of Fowler's excellent book? DavidCBryant 21:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I think I read Fowler a long time ago... Glad I'm not the only one. Grover cleveland 23:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Classical pages/thanks

Glad to help; as the Beatles said on the rooftop, I hope I passed the audition :) Best, DJRafe 04:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for WB-C editing

Many thanks, Grover, for your sterling work in editing/adding to the William H. Barrington-Coupe/William H. B. Coupe/Barrington-Cooper? article. It's just the sort of bolstering of the article I was hoping for when I penned it yesterday. (I must say that the transmogrification of 'Barrington-Cooper' into the much more aristocratic sounding 'Barrington-Coupe' strikes me as very plausible.) -- Jmc 05:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org../../../g/r/o/User_talk%7EGrover_cleveland_7184.html"