Talk:Grover Norquist
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[edit] Note
Note the additional info about foreign Islamic influence including attempts to name associate with bin laden.
lots of issues | leave me a message 21:12, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If it is true, why is the neutrality of the page being disputed? Truth is inherently neutral.
[edit] NPOV Asserted
But as usual for the astroturf sock, no justification in talk. --Gorgonzilla 21:49, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
"Truth is inherently neutral."
That is totally false! Printing true statements, while omitting other true statements is NOT inherently neutral at all!
[edit] New section under controversies
I added the section on Norquist comparing the estate tax to the Holocaust. I added a sentence summarizing Norquist's explanation of the quote from the primary source (that he wasn't comparing the events, just the morality behind the acts), so that the section wouldn't be taken out of context. It's still a pretty bad quote, though. Oh well, I hate the guy, and I think that I was lenient giving him the extra qualifying sentence.
Ihavenoheroes 16:45, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Norquist's legal team??
Lawyer2b removed this text, a decision I agree with, but I want to note it here (I've removed some leading spaces that made it look particularly poorly formated when the text was in the article):
- As a prominent figure in republican politics Grover Norquist has frequently been the victim of attack (from those on the political left)using of guilt by association tactics.
- was not created to be used as a tool to asassinate the charactor of those whose political beliefs differ from your own through the use of libel slander guilt by association
- Allegations that are often supported by highly biased and partisan sources.
- Wikepedia must have rules to prevent libelous and slanderous entries.
- Legal team on behalf of Mr Norquist request the cease using such a prominent open source publication to attack his reputation and charactor.
This was posted by 24.17.65.82, who has no other posting history. Anyone think that this really was posted by the "legal team"? There is a process, I assume, for notifying the folks that run the website of real legal threat. I do find it hard to believe that a lawyer would write so badly (maybe a paralegal?), and misuse a legal term like slander (slander is SPOKEN, not WRITTEN). John Broughton 17:33, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- I doubt any lawyer, let alone legal team, wrote that. "Charactor" "asassinat[ion]"? Lawyer2b 16:28, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Swedish heritage?
The name Norquist looks Swedish, does anyone know if he has Swedish heritage? /Slarre 02:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Abromoff in the head?
Really? That's why Norquist is notable? I'm not important enough to change it, but it seems like there ought to be a better place for "His close business and political ties to recently indicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff are the subject of a current federal investigation."—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.104.232.72 (talk • contribs).
- If this article was at all fair/neutral to its subject, the "scandal" portion would be far down the article, much like in the Michael Moore article, in which his directing "work" is front and center as it should be, and only FAR down the article are the controversies (mitigated, however, with someone's clever use of the "Warning: weasel words" template to mute anything negative said about him.) - Nhprman List 05:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Talking to Republicans it sounds to me as if they currently consider Norquist to be radioactive as a direct result of the Abramoff scandal. Norquist is no longer the Washington player he once was. His weekly lunches are no longer 'must attend' events for GOP lobbyists. The K-street project is no longer operating except in name. The scandals that Norquist has been involved in are directly related to the operation of K-street and his relationship to DeLay, Abramoff, Reed and other 'culture of corruption' figures. Even if Norquist had not been personally involved with Abramoff the Abramoff scandal is the principal reason for the demise of DeLay (it is generally agreed that it is the expected Abramoff related indictment rather than the current Texas indictment that led to Delay's resignation). And without ties to the DeLay machine Norquist is simply not a player.
The comparison to Michael Moore is not relevant. His films are unabashed polemics. There are plenty of people on the left who consider him a complete jack-ass. The fact that his work is controvertial is stated clearly in the header He is widely known for his outspoken, critical views on.... Unlike Norquist, Moore is not a target in the biggest Washington corruption scandal since Teapot Dome. none of Moore's close associates have been accused of corruption by a Senate Committee (Reed), indicted (DeLay), or pled guilty to corruption (Abramoff, Safavian, &ct). --Gorgonzilla 16:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Religious Allies
1. They are not "religious allies," they are Islamic terrorists.
2. This section is much more important than the Abramoff scandal, regardless of its scope.
A political operative with ties for foreign goverments that were on the State Department's list of state sponsors of terror, i.e. Libya, and two of the most destructive, powerful Islamic terror organizations on the planet, i.e. Hezbollah, and Hamas, is a lot more important than the corruption of Congress or the White House, which has existed-to some degree or another-since the Jackson administration. 72.68.172.229 13:40, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ties to Al-Qaida?
The bottom-line here is, Norquist has no association to Al-Qaida, as some have asserted, period. [1] because the assertion that any of his associates do so is patently false. 19:44, 26 September 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Billmunny (talk • contribs).
- Okay, the link you provided seems fairly authoritative, and the paragraph in the wikipedia article was pretty speculative, so I've removed it. But I put the rest of the text that you deleted back in.
- When you delete two entire sections, which (I haven't followed the links) seem reasonably well-sourced, you need to justify more than the inaccuracy of one paragraph within one of those sections. Again, posting an explanation here is appreciated (bottom of the page, though, and probably with a new section heading. Thanks. John Broughton | Talk 21:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I reformatted the source for the Bathtub Comment which I had incorrectly changed a long time ago. Simply tried to meet proper standards. Mcas 01:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 2008
Who is Grover supporting? -Amit
Now, it seems like he is supporting Mr. Opportunist (i.e. Mitt Romney). Has it not come to his knowledge that business fees went up signficantly in Massachusetts to balance the budget? This was on MSNBC's "Tucker." -Amit, 03/02/07
