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Contents 1 Great performances 2 Controversies 3 Editing for POV content 4 real or fake?

[edit] Great performances

It is amazing that the reality of the actors and actresses of this movie which are bears' performances deserve an academy award except the director.

??? - Kevingarcia 07:06, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversies

The article mentions "controversies such as claims of fictitious interviews". Does anyone have any information on this? The Singing Badger 23:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

• I just watched the 30 minute special last night. There are no claims of :fictitious interviews: discussed in the special. I've removed the phrase. -- MisterHand 14:27, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editing for POV content

"There is an another tragedy in this film that is seldom discussed. The bears suspected of killing Treadwell and his girlfriend were ultimately exterminated. Fear of man is the only thing keeping these wild animals from extinction. Treadwell made it his career to help bears to overcome this fear. It this the legacy of a man who selflessly gave his life to the study of wild creatures, or is it the legacy of a man who selfishly inserted his own life into their world, only to lead to their destruction?"

This is rather blatantly the biased opinion of a contributor, rather than supportable fact. As a matter of fact, the entire article could use a real solid editing.

I'm removing this paragraph.

Furthermore, even though this is no longer relevant since it's already been removed, but just in case someone feels like putting it back: The "Bears suspected of killing Treadwell and his girlfriend..." bit is just wrong. To the best of my knowledge, they only killed one bear, not several, and that particular bear was found near the campsite AND they hauled Treadwell's and his girlfriend's remains out of said bear's stomach, so it's not as if the bear was just "suspected" of eating them, it was confirmed. (I suppose it's theoretically possible that some other bear killed them and then this poor patsy bear came along and ate them and paid the price at the hands of the evil humans, but c'mon.) -- Captain Disdain 03:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

• Ultimately, public awareness is about all that Treadwell was capable of contributing. His lack of scientific training and discipline is evident throughout his footage. Criticism abounded that his films lacked any scientific depth or merit. Treadwell continued to disregard such comments, and instead produced films that contained more tittilation than genuine scientific content.

Again, nothing other than opinion and speculation (no sources quoted for any supposed facts, such as widespread criticism of the film's scientific merit). I'm taking this out.

[edit] real or fake?

I am just wondering why this page does not reflect the theory that Herzog has faked this movie? I have never found actual proof of this, but I have found sources that have this point of view. Herzog's work often blurs the line between fake and real, and there were several indicators during the movie (such as seemingly fake testimonial interviews) to at least warrant a mention, even if the mention is that the theory is out there. Without mentioning this, the article is far from comprehensive.

Here is a link to one article that explains things pretty well.

http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3140/6609/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.163.232.99 (talk) 20:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

If we do, it should only be a brief mention, as this is one of the dafter conspiracy theories. Treadwell was a real person, and his death was announced on TV and in newspapers years before Herzog's film was made (e.g. see here). The coroner is definitely creepy and weird, but that doesn't mean he's fake, and he is a real person too. If 'Timothy' was an actor, Herzog would have had to engage in about a decade of media manipulation beforehand to convince the world TT was real; and if Timothy is real but still alive, where is Herzog hiding him? Cop 633 01:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Without ending up in a debate about how plausible the theory could be, I agree that it should only be a brief mention, like I said, even a mention of the fact that the theory exists.

Go for it. :) Cop 633 14:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)