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[edit] You're right
I accidentally blocked CltFn indefinitely instead of the vandal I meant to, because I was dealing with them nearly simultaneously. I have exchanged the lengths of blocks. CltFn is blocked for one week. RyanGerbil10(Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 05:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Table on Poverty in Pakistan
Hi,
Thanks very much for your edits to Poverty in Pakistan. Tabulating the unemployment data was a great idea. However, it seems to render rather poorly in browser (offset and a little misaligned). I tried two browsers (firefox & konqueror) and it was crappy in both. I don't know much about tables & wikicode so would appreciate it if you could take another shot at it to render it better. Thanks again.Hkelkar 09:23, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Test
Bro, i am trying to creat a way to standardize hadith, Qur'an and scholar quotes. This, since wikipedia has stated that standardization is wanted and since all three named sources are very frequently quoted in Islam related articles, mostly since it is and Islamic way of presenting information. I have made a test that i fear needs much improvement, and i do not dare to show it to a wider audience, fearing they would not give it a fair chance. So how about you taking a look a the middle part of this article and give some suggestions on how we can work on standardizing this issues? Thanks and Peace. --Striver 23:22, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Hafiz
Hi. I am in a dispute with a user in the Hafiz article, and i would like to bring this conflict into your attention in order to get some non-involved feed back. You can view the nature of the conflict here: [1], [2], [3] [4]. Thanks and peace. --Striver 20:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Self (sociology)
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[edit] Album infobox conversions
Hey, I noticed you were once active at converting old infoboxes. Well, I've found a bunch that need converting, as I noted here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Needs infobox conversion. Cheers, Alcuin 03:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Images
Gren , Do you know if I can use any of these Asra Nomani photos in Wikipedia? Not sure about copyrights for University web sites. Also could you take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islamic Bill of Rights for Women in the Bedroom --CltFn 21:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC) Thank you--CltFn 05:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Could you undelete an article for me, please
Hi Gren
Someone has deleted Brighton & Hove Palestine Solidarity Campaign on the grounds that a "prod" had expired. I moved this article two or three days ago from an article with similar title but no use of capital letters (even for Palestine). And I wikified it a bit. I didn't notice any prod on it. I am not very familiar with the deletion policy, except I have voted in a few AFDs. However, I understand that any admin can undelete an article that was deleted after a prod and I hope you can do just that for this one. If it then has to go through an AFD, OK. Article subject is a genuine organisation and comes under the WikiProject Brighton & Hove.
Thanks. Itsmejudith 22:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ibn Hazm
Hi Gren,
My concept was that Ibn Hazm works fine to line and bring people to the site, but his real name should be right at the top in the first line. It's ok to lead with Ibn Hazm something along the lines Ibn Hazm's is a shortened version of his full name xxxx, before you deal with what he was need get past as follows:
Ibn Hazm (7 November 994 – 15 August 1064[1] 456 AH[2]) in full Abū Muḥammad ʿAlī ibn Aḥmad ibn Saʿīd ibn Ḥazm (Arabic :أبو محمد علي بن احمد بن سعيد بن حزم) and sometimes with al-Andalusī aẓ-Ẓāhirī [3] was ....
However in the infobox I think you should mention his full name and just bold the ibn Hazm. Also why did you remove the image as well.--Tigeroo 04:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- I don't like Ibn Hazm because of his theories on "Tahrif". An irrelavant comment :P --Aminz 08:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
[5] (actually most of the article) is a pretty good copyvio of the article on Encyclopedia of Islam on tahrif. But I haven't done that :). As you can see from the section Ibn Hazm was more a secular scholar than a pious Muslim in that case (well maybe not). He was very influential on Muslim polemics: "Ibn Hazm’s impact on later Muslim polemics was great, and the themes which he raised with regard to tahrif and other polemical ideas were updated only slightly by some later authors." --Aminz 02:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Jihad
Dear Gren,
I'm not well enough read to know how jihad was used in the earliest Islamic texts, and when the "two meanings of jihad" became a common theme. I think that would require knowledge of Arabic and acquaintance with a lot of the original material. Sorry I took so long to get back to you.
I wish to heck that we had some real studies of the development of Islamic religious and historical writing based on comparison of actual manuscripts rather than relying on recently published editions in Arabic that may or may not accurately reflect the original. Someone should collect scans of every old manuscript in the world and give them the Distributed Proofreader treatment. No more travelling to distant archives and mucking about with disintegrated paper. It should all be on the web, in the universal library!
Dreamer :)
Hope you're doing OK personally, I'll email. Zora 02:47, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Twin_lantana_camara.jpg
I have to express my admiration because you were able to defend my picture much better than I could. The more I see the attempts to parameterize quality (and beauty) the more I am convinced that appreciating pictures is mainly a subjective process. In the present case, I have learnt that lantana is some kind of a plague with little sympathy from botanists. Also, this is not an extraordinary photo, I agree (just a 'correct' one). Like many of the pictures in Wikipedia FP. And unlike the marvellous pictures of Moondigger. Thank you. - Alvesgaspar 23:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] RfC
Would you please comment on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Muhammad#Request_for_Comment Thanks --Aminz 10:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Boushiya.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Boushiya.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. Peter O. (Talk) 12:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Request
Hi Gren,
May we (User: Aminz& User:Truthspreader) ask you to join us in the dispute in the Reforms under Islam (610-661) article. We need your help and can not stand it if you don't accept it :) There is a dispute over reliability of certain sources per WP:RS and using primary sources. Please, please help. --Aminz 09:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Please see the talk page. --Aminz 12:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks so much Gren. Please, please stay around. I can not come in agreement with some editors there. Please stay.
Your comments was very useful. Let me start from the beginning. The thing is that this article was developed kind of strange. While I was reading the books written on Islam, I noticed that they talk about reforms of Islam, by which they mean new women rights, slavery etc etc. At the same time, the Pope controversy came who said that Islam has brought nothing to humanity except violence. So, I tried to document what Islam has done. But since this ideas were developing as part of the Muhammad article, I confined myself to places where the author explicitly says "Reforms". In case of literary reforms, I asked on the talk page of Muhammad, if "literary" reform is defined; the response was positive. So, I read the "literature and the Qur'an" article. The Arabic scholars have a very good attitude (please see Quran#Literary Structure of the Qur'an). In fact, except for one or two scholars (19 century), named explicitly by that article, the vast majority of scholars have a quite positive view. The discussion is around Muslim claim that the Qur'an is miraclous, far above the level that the Qur'an just brought new literary structures. Re: "not only did the Qur'an create an entirely new linguistic corpus", yeah I believe it caused a reform in the sense that any other literary book can cause. Prof. Izutsu, I believe, proposed this and it is very interesting. As with any other poem book which takes words and uses them in new meanings (and in new relations with other words), the Qur'an does that but in an incomparably higher extent. It was required to do that since the language forms the way we think. The Qur'an reshuffled the relation of words with each other, took words and used them in new meanings and eventually made a linguist structure in which the word "Allah" is in center. We can just talk about this but it not so easy to do that. It requires skills.
And kind of unsure about your comment on 610-661 in Arabia. I was reading an article titled "The quest for historical Muhammad" by F.E. Peters(International Journal of Middle East Studies (1991) p.291-315 ). There he said that the whole problem is our inadequate knowledge about pre-islamic Arabia. Even more, he said that unlike much debate in academic about finding the words Jesus actually said, the Qur'an is generally considered to be the words spoken by Muhammad. I might be wrong and Wansbrough and Crone be not in significant minority.
The reason that this article quotes a lot is two-fold: 1. Some editors, the same who are now disputing the Reform article, (to my mind falsely) accused me of misrepresenting the sources. So, I tried to quote more. 2. Some editor, again the same, come and reduce the prose of the sentences: for example if lewis says the islamic idea "represented a very considerable advance on the practice of both the Greco-Roman and the ancient Iranian world" ; they might first make "very considerable" -> "considerable" and later just remove it. These kinds of changes. 3. The last but maybe one of the most important reasons is my poor english. I can only hardly rewrite; much easier for me to quote. It will also be at least less painful to see other editors buchering it without any good reason.
By the European opponents of slavery, I mean the abolishonists in 19th century. The point of the passage is that Slavery in Muslim lands was much better than slavery in Europe even untill when it was abolished. Lewis for example writes: "the position of the domestic slave in Muslim society was in most respects better than in either classical antiquity or the nineteenth-century Americas".
In answer to your question about definition of "reform", I should say, with few exceptions, I used passage in which the author explicitly says "reforms". But I am open to any suggestion.
I'll read your comment again, I may have missed some points. --Aminz 18:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the "notes" and "references" sections, you are right. We should correct it. And BTW, I haven't added the quotation from Schimmel (1992) p. 67. But can find the source. Cheers, --Aminz 00:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Gren. I've said to Aminz that I would leave a message on your talk page about the above article. I understand and largely sympathise with the problems you express about the article. I've advised Aminz to take a day or two off the article and wondered if in the meantime we could think up some alternatives for the future of this article to put to him. One thing that I felt was that looking down the box on the right hand side of the article, Muhammad as ... as a husband, etc., as a reformer seemed to be a good addition. I don't have much liking for the "great man theory of history" but obviously the decades in which Islam began were momentous ones for the whole of the Old World. And some of the changes would definitely come in the category of "reform". Do you have any other practical suggestions for where the text written by Aminz could be housed? thanks. Itsmejudith 21:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Gren, I've posted something on Judith talk page, please read it. In order to show that I have NOT misrepresented the sources(to be more precise, that wasn't my intention; I might have been careless in some cases which I don't know), I am willing to email any source I've used(i can scan the encyclopedia (encyclopedia of Qur'an; encyclopedia of Islam) articles)--Aminz 07:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
The first quote from bernard lewis: article online: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/4557
complete quote:
| “ | In a sense, the advent of Islam was itself a revolution, which after long struggles only partially succeeded. After the Islamic conquests of the seventh century, there was a continuing tension between the new religion and its message and the very old societies of the countries that the Muslims conquered. Islam came, not into a new world, like Christendom in Europe, but to lands of ancient civilization and deep-rooted traditions. This tension between Islamic dynamism and the older forces of the river-valley societies continued through medieval into modern times. For example, Islamic doctrine is basically egalitarian. It is true that the equality of Islam is limited to free adult male Muslims, but even this represented a very considerable advance on the practice of both the Greco-Roman and the ancient Iranian world. Islam from the first denounced aristocratic privilege, rejected hierarchy, and adopted a formula of the career open to the talents. | ” |
--Aminz 07:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Good luck on your paper and Many Thanks for helping us. --Aminz 07:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments about the "reforms" article. In exchange I would have loved to discuss your paper with you and help you in any way. It is a really interesting topic. I hope you take a positive line with critical realism. I would recommend "Method in Social Science" by Andrew Sayer (left critical realism). I'd also like to read the paper after it's finished and submitted. Itsmejudith 09:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Please have a look at http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN041534106X&id=YEhkImyhmoIC&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&vq=muhammad&dq=reforms+muhammad+inpublisher:routledge&sig=EuxXl7xa1CwOkK3Lprn0dNnDErc
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whenever you are free of course (I think you need a gmail account). The book is written by Dr Colin Turner at Durham university and published by 2005. The Basics: Islam. Oxford: Routledge.
It defines reform and revolution. might be useful :) cheers, --Aminz 07:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
BTW, someone has requested for an RfC (Arrow7??)--Aminz 07:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mediation
Hello! I've requested for a mediation, here Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Reforms under Islam (610-661). Please join it. Thanks --Aminz 08:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
(Also, if you are not an involved party, please let me know. Thanks) --Aminz 22:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comment. I hope everything is going very well with you. Take care, --Aminz 23:58, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] kajol's distorted image
Hi Gren. I am a fan of Kajol too. Please copy the image and paste in MS word. Stretch it horizontally and save. Then you can post the image after you have stretched it enough. Any photo editing software (eg gimp) can be used too. Moreover She is frowning in that capture. Please take another snapshot and post it in the filmography sectioin of Kajol. Thanks.
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[edit] CltFn
Hello Grenavitar. Since you have dealt with user CltFn in the past, I would appreciate your comment here. Thank you. BhaiSaab talk 20:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Gren, I've put another outside view on this page you may be interested in.PelleSmith 15:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Images
Hi Gren - well actually I did source this but you are right on the others I had not sourced them, just getting a bit slack on this but no harm intended. For future reference , and I believe I told you this before , I do make these sort of snapshots myself from the digital material.I know that you have raised this issue before but I got the point and you can be assured that I am not about to use images that do not have the proper copyright status. Since snapshots are allowed , in most cases that is what I use as I can easily create those myself--CltFn 04:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Request for a block
Hi Gren I wondered if you could block anon 65.216.160.6 for vandalising my talk page [6]. It has been blocked for vandalism before and committed further instances since: [7] [8][9][10]. Thanks. Itsmejudith 10:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Criticism of Muhammad
Hello Gren, having just read your response to Sefringle (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) in Talk:Muhammad I thought it important for you to be aware that this user has been on a full force Islam smear campaign and that if ever you had the time you might review his edits surrounding Islam. This section of talk also should be enlightening. Thanks. (→Netscott) 21:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- Gren, thanks for your response. I'm all for scholarly, academic (meaning well developed and thought out) criticism of Islam and subjects related to it. What I see though are "anti-Muslim brigade" efforts to smear/vilify Islam. In reading past comments of yours I've gotten the impression that you've got a balanced view of this which is the main reason I contacted you directly. I believe we share the view that in as much as Islam should not be vilified it should also not be glorified. One of the things that I do detest is the anachronistic application of modern day cultural views applied towards vilifying/glorifying the distant past. Hopefully I've addressed the points in the talk you left me but if not please don't hesitate to ask for further clarification. Thanks again. (→Netscott) 01:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Britannica
Have you seen template:1911? --Striver 11:42, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Edit summary
Sorry, but what would my cleanup have been titled? Cheers. FrummerThanThou 01:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Noahide Laws
Since we're talking can I ask if you can create a french stub of Noahide Laws? Its not in french yet, Noahide Laws gets a fair bit of traffic and is a prominant subject. Please let me know. Thanks. FrummerThanThou 02:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Just the lead paragraph will do, you can be bold and guess what the titles would be in French.FrummerThanThou 03:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islamic extremist terrorism. KazakhPol 03:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- ==List of religious leaders in 1203==
I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article List of religious leaders in 1203, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:List of religious leaders in 1203. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Robert Weemeyer 14:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Re:Interwiki
Thanks for the heads up Gren. I wasn't aware that Interlanguage links are only to be added when pages in the other language exist. I just finished reading Wikipedia:Interlanguage links and have a better idea now. Thanks again for your help. With regards, AnupamTalk 07:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Islam and antisemitism
Hi Gren, I wonder if you might have some input to the discussion on Talk:Antisemitism regarding the section Antisemitism#Antisemitism_and_the_Muslim_world. There is some debate about approaches, sources etc.
Best wishes for the new year, Palmiro | Talk 13:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- I said your suggestion made sense to me - perhaps you misread!? My only view is that it is a shame not to have AH dates, and of course if you had them you would have to specify the other ones as being AD/CE on the first occasion at least. Palmiro | Talk 02:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- Though even on that basis, we could go with the Charlemagne solution pending anyone having the time and patience to insert all the AH dates. And I suppose for the Muhammad article AH dates are actually rather less likely to be useful than for articles about, say, the Abbasids or the Fatimids.
- I think I have had my say for now on the anti-Semitism page, as I don't have the time to devote to a rewriting of the article and my comments seem to have been to some extent accepted in principle (not that I am so deluded as to think that that will necessarily have any great impact), so while I'd obviously be delighted to see you getting involved I probably won't be around there myself. Palmiro | Talk 03:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Muhammad images
You are obviously correct that the tradition of depicting him is not as important as calligraphy or aniconism. I believe that is a very valid and important point, but at the same time I don't think that these facts should make up the whole equation, when we are deciding which images that should be included in the Muhammad article. Another point that I believe is important to consider, is that depictions of Muhammad, especially in important historical settings, usually has a higher information value and is typically more useful, especially in sections regarding specific events that took place during his life. One example could be the "Isra and Miraj" section. What do you think adds most to the average readers understanding of what actually happened (or what Muhammad imagined happened) during that episode: this or this? -- Karl Meier 14:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
- Karl, had I known that you had already made this point, I would have cited you in my response to Gren in mediation.
- What's the point of accompanying every section with an Arabic script rendering of the word "Muhammad", which fails every test of informativeness and topicality which iconoclasts will appply to every image? To show the same word again and again, in any font or rendering, is unusual, and even more so when in a foreign script.Proabivouac 09:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Could you cast an eye over an article
Hi Gren
Could you look at Reddy for me? I found it in the backlog of articles needing wikifying since August 2006. An anon keeps adding unsourced grave allegations about living persons. I have removed them but perhaps semi-protection is needed. Article is in a terrible mess generally as you'll see, so any suggestions would be very welcome.Itsmejudith 09:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Muhamamd article
Hi Grenavitar,
Please see [11] and [12]. I would be thankful to have your comment. Thanks. --Aminz 09:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. --Aminz 09:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Gren vs. Glen
The subtitles of the official U.S. release call him Gren. I know the pronunciation can make it sound like Glen, but it is most commonly transliterated as Gren so please leave it that way in the Iria article. (and it's my name O_o) gren グレン 22:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- No, The subtitles of the official U.S. release call him "Glen". This is right off AnimeWorks' Region 1 "Iria: Zeiram the Animation Collection" DVD. Evan1975 23:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Interesting. Maybe something should be put up there about the translation differences between the two DVDs to prevent future confusion. Evan1975 03:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] User talk:206.77.103.101
Hi, I know this sounds like quibbling, but you told the user he has been "banned" for 48 hours. There's a fairly important distinction between "ban" and "block"; the user should have been told he's been blocked for 48 hours. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 00:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Removal of "disruptive" wikification tag
Hi Gren I tagged Islam and antisemitism for wikification as its first sentence does not have the titled emboldened. User:Beit Or removed the tag with an edit summary saying that it was "disruptive". I'm quite shocked by this disregarding of basic encyclopedic values. Could you advise, please. Thanks. Itsmejudith 12:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for helping me out on this with your usual wisdom.Itsmejudith 08:41, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Request for map picture of three Saudi Arabian provinces
Hi Grenavitar,
I see that you are the creator of the "Maps of provinces of Saudi Arabia" on Wikimedia Commons. Could you please create another image that simultaneously highlights 'Asir, Najran, and Jizan provinces so that it would reflect the territories disputed during the Saudi-Yemeni War? I have no prior experience with creating images on or uploading them to Wikimedia, so I thought I would turn to you.
Thank you, Black Falcon 21:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, there is a question whether Jizan province was part of the dispute, so (assuming you are willing to create the image) please hold off on the request for a while. I apologize for the confusion and will post here again as soon as the issue is resolved (i.e., reliable sourced information is found). Thank you, Black Falcon 21:39, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Yep. I made them... but, they are bad by today's standards. I have tried to create an SVG out of it... but I'm not sure if it's any good. It's close. But, maps should be more than close. Image:Saudi Arabia provinces SVG template.svg is my SVG attempt. It's hard to see but, with a good framework it can easily be changed to show provinces. I am trying to find out if the borders on that images are accurate. I think some of the angles are too soft and I'm not fully sure how to fix it. Image:Saudi Arabia - Al Qasim province locator.png this is what I made it from. gren グレン 22:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) The SVG you created seems very close, but I can't really make an informed comment on how accurate it is (it seems to fit pretty well with this 1993 provinces map at the UofTexas library map collection). I thought that it might be possible to create a map (based on Image:Saudi Arabia - province locator template.png) in which 2 or 3 provinces are highlighted (in light green). However, before any such map should be created for adding to the article, it's necessary to first clarify what areas in particular were in dispute during the war. Black Falcon 22:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, Image:Saudi Arabia provinces template.svg will be easier to see... but, look at how soft some of the smaller provinces are. I'm not sure how to fix that. gren グレン 22:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, one thing I can note: the northwestern border for Al Qasim province in the SVG file seems to stray from the actual provincial border. Hope that helps. Black Falcon 22:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Father Judge High School Page
I don't understand how this is non-notable. I graduated from this high school a long time ago and was adding members of the Model UN who were there when I was at the school as the list was comprised mostly of existing students and recent alumni. I understand that you know nothing about this school so you wouldn't understand what is and isn't notable, but with that said I don't understand why you take it upon yourself to ruin a page that you know nothing about. I'd appreciate it if the page was restored. One final thing, it's obviously impossible to cite resources for articles like this one, which isn't widely publicized except in local news, etc.
00:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
"I know more about Father Judge than you might suspect and I would like to make it clear that if any school started listing the names of "notable" MUN team members then I would remove it." Please, show me exactly how much you know about Father Judge. You know so much about it that you claim that it is in South Philly in the next quote. Wikipedia is on a quest to be more than just a paper encyclopedia by letting information like Father Judge High School on here. But it is people like you that are trying to prevent anyone from giving any information about it on the page.
"Look at this edit that was just made to the page. It could be true that this is an important legend to South Philly or it could be some random person trying to make up something to amuse his friends. The point is that people have to be able to verify your work from reliable sources. If that can't be done then it should not be on Wikipedia."
I see the edit and I'd like to know why you removed it. If anything this is one of the most legitimate reasons to post anything about Father Judge. As an alumni and someone still involved with the school I know this to be a true story - once again something you aren't going to read in the history books, but it is true. Interesting that you are so adamant about verifying reliable sources. Besides claiming to know everything about Father Judge and not even knowing where it is located, you are going around tearing down sites without just cause. You are operating on the assumption that everything is a high school kid trying to do something stupid. It seems that you could just as easily be a high school kid who is just going around trying to ruin people's wikipedia articles by tearing down true stories about them. How is a story about a 1960s controversy not fodder for this site. I actually find it quite fascinating.
Why don't you leave the editing of this page to someone who knows what they are doing when it comes to Judge. Hcrane 05:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
"If there are not verifiable references then leave unreferenced."
I don't understand. I did leave them unreferenced. Hcrane 19:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Delhi FAC
The issue raised by you in the FAC (regarding images) has been addressed. Please have a look. Thanks. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Talk:Muhammad/Mediation
You're welcome. :-) | AndonicO Talk · Sign Here 01:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] No, I'm not copyediting (sob)
I'm procrastinating. That hideous manuscript, full of bloviated prose and borderline copyvios, is still waiting to pounce. Zora 20:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Citing References
Can I ask you a question? Why do you tear down some stuff that doesn't have sources cited yet you leave other stuff up and just put the note that a citation is needed? If you really have no expertise on an area to decipher between what is and is not noteworthy and you have been all over me about citing every single thing I put on wikipedia, why don't you just take every single uncited item down or leave every one up? Anything different seems to make no sense. Hcrane 00:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I guess we just disagree on this one. You insist that certain things aren't notable that are notable in my opinion. The fact that someone wrote a book seems to be notable to me. After all, not too many people write books, especially high school teachers, the fact that it was not published is just a fact that really has nothing to do with the notability of the matter.Hcrane 16:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Campaign history of the Roman military
Thank you for your comments on the FA nomination forCampaign history of the Roman military at the FA page Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Campaign history of the Roman military. I have posted responses to your comments and if possible could you please take a look at my responses and respond to them as necessary. Your point on the maps is well made and I agree. The other points I have some doubt over. Thanks - PocklingtonDan 17:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- I just want to make clear that I added a lot of "good ideas" which I thought would make the article better but in the end aren't of great importance. I do think you really need to make sure that we know how those maps were created to be sure that they are verifiable and I don't think there should be any supports without that. You didn't comment on it in your reply so--just posting here to make sure you notice it. I will try to contact the image creators and see if they can shed more light and maybe save you some work. gren グレン 18:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, I have responded in the nomination discussion now, I think I missed this before. I agree with you absolutely that images should be as thoroughly cited as text - any help you can provide towards this is appreciated. Many thanks - PocklingtonDan 21:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Buddhist art up for featured article review
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[edit] Robert Spencer
Hi Gren,
Please have a look at the following link [13].
It is written by Professor Carl Ernst, William R. Kenan, Jr., Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies and Director of the Carolina Center for the Study of the Middle East and Muslim Civilizations University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.
Cheers, --Aminz 23:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Gary Null
Gren, if you had a minute to look at this, I would really appreciate it. Null is an alternative medicine guru and critic of conventional medicine. There seems to be a pitched battle about whether he should be debunked or not and I have landed in the middle of it. Specifically, is it OK to cite the fact that Quackwatch has criticised him? I only found the article in the backlog of articles to wikify! I appreciate you might not have time and you might want to pass it to another admin, that's OK. I have listed it on the [WP:BLP]] noticeboard but still had no reply. Thanks. Itsmejudith 00:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks Gren, I think you did answer my questions. There is a great amount of will among editors on the page to work constructively, but of course people have their own ideas and assumptions. I'll just carry on as before, trying to referee and dodging brickbats from both sides. 14:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Boston Map
Hi, I made that map and posted it to wikipedia, thereby releasing it as CC-by-2.0. The big TIF on my website (radicalcartography.net) is a different image, which does indeed have a copyright sign. Does that answer the question? Citynoise 02:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- You make a very good suggestion. I will do a more legible income map when I get the chance. Citynoise 12:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Your comments
Comments like this one[14] may have a wise air about them, but don't bring us any closer to resolving the real issues. Beit Or 19:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] AfD Islamic socialism
You have edited the article Islamic socialism. This article is currently being considered for deletion under the wp:afd process. You may contribute to this discussion by commenting here. Thank you. Edivorce 01:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] School Closing
I didn't see anything in the Help:Contents that suggested not listing school closing information. I see all the time where articles have listed that "This article contains a current event" and things of that nature. I posted this information and I had the intention of taking it down tomorrow, when it was no longer pertinent.GallagherBros 04:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] User:VirtualEye
Gren, having received a number of complaints on my user talk, in light of the litany of complaints on his talk page, and having had it up to here with this user's behavior myself, I have begun to reverte his inappropriate posts. Most recently, he is flooding Talk:Muhammad with reiterations of his previous posts, in full.[15] I believe I am acting with community approval; please let me know if you've any objection to this.Proabivouac 08:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- Just looking at his arguments it seems to that he has a point. Not having a picture of Muhammad is implicitly saying something. That picture is good for the author's page, not for Muhammad artice. --Aminz 09:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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- While the point he makes is valid, screaming it repeatedly to the same people on the same page is extremely disruptive. We've all heard his point by now, and he has not added any new arguments or content (except for slight variations in word order, etc.) in quite some time. --Hojimachongtalkcon 07:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] XanGo
You may not have time for this, but if you do have a few minutes to spare, please take a look at the ongoing battle at XanGo. MLM-supporters trying to remove criticism. Zora 10:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks Gren! Aminz stepped in to save the day, but your help may be needed. Zora 11:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Your summary
It's just fine; thanks for helping. · AndonicO Talk 10:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Aw, come on
Aw, come on, Gren, does WP:AGF mean we're supposed to pretend we're all stupid? See contributions. WP:RfCU states that obvious sockpuppets are not to be brought there to waste their time, but simply blocked. This one's a no-brainer.Proabivouac 10:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] appreciation
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[edit] Misquotation
Gren, atleast quote me correctly buddy. Here's my selection of words, :"not in my whole talk did I ever mention" which implied to the only comment I had posted. Anyways, I am not here to defend my identity but to point out that you have just proved ignorance by misquoting me and once again forcing your own precoceived thoughts and attempting to fit them into my sentences. Be careful when quoting others buddy, especially considering the fact that you are an editor and this behavior in unacceptable.Checkmeout101 23:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Appreciation
Gren, I just wanted to express my appreciation for your efforts at Talk:Muhammad and Talk:Muhammad/Mediation. Even for an admin, I am surprised that you have been able to keep your cool. So anyways, thank you for your sane, rational approach (and for not biting me, since this debate first got me involved in Wikipedia). --Hojimachongtalkcon 07:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Unfair Reverting by User:Yahya01
I added peacock tag on article Rabwah. "a lush green city", " 100% literacy rate", "peaceful environment of the city is its trademark" these are peacock terms unless any source is mentioned. The article have more of these terms without a verified source. User:Yahya01 keeps removing the tag without adding sources and has expressed I myself am from there and I know these things first hand. Yahya 04:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC). Please help me if you can, in stopping these unfair reverts. Also {{fact}} tags against unsourced statements were reverted back with a bit of abusive language. Can you please look into the matter on Rabwah --Webkami 17:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for restoring my faith in fairness of Wikipedia. The user was simply abusing the right to edit the article to his likeness and wasn't listening to facts or requests for the genuine sources. I did find your username in an old warning to same user. I thought you might be understanding in this matter. Thank you once again. --Webkami 22:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Another note, I am getting the feeling that I might have been misunderstood that I said "I myself am from....". However I was quoting the reason/edit summary which the user Yahya01 was giving for reverting my edit. --Webkami 22:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- No problem. Thank you once again. --Webkami 22:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Blacked out images
So you don't think that a bunch of blacked out images with the word "Muhammad" in the background is going to remind people of terrorism? TharkunColl 00:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Frankly, no. If something reminds me of terrorism, I feel I have a right to say so without you censoring me. TharkunColl 00:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Bandini (film 1963)
you 'moved' the contents of this article by using copy/paste/delete. why did you not simply change the name? the method you used effectively destroys the history. please advise. --emerson7 | Talk 19:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Poll on every little issue
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[edit] Keep it up
I occasionally take part in Talk:Muhammad/Mediation (not as much time as I would like as I lack the temperament and time) and I feel you provide a valuable voice. It appears to me far to many people are taking the OMG CENSORSHIP view and don't appear to understand the real issues. I wish you luck in continuing to inject reason into this debate. Cheers Nil Einne 14:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Prophet Muhammad image dispute
I have a suggestion, based on wiki policies of WP:RS, WP:NPOV, to solve the dispute over images of Prophet Muhammad.
I have put a template here as to how we should resolve the dispute. Please leave a comment regarding this on my talk page. If you like this template please don't put it up yourself. I am looking for some sort of concensus. If you don't like the template please leave a suggestion for improving it.Bless sins 03:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Alim777 (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log)
Is blocked now for 48 hours... this person recieved one warning about removing the image. Would you discuss this with the blocking admin and possibly lift this block? I don't see how the image removal falls under WP:VAND. Thanks. (→Netscott) 20:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Islam and antisemitism
See Gren: When Intro said "Some writers have perceived antisemitism to be inherent in the religion itself, even in the Qu'ran and that there have also been elements of anti-semitism in Islamic history; and among Muslims in the modern world" Beit Or didn't remove it but once I found a quote saying "Most scholars, however concede that Arab anti-Semitism in the modern world arose relatively recently, in the nineteenth century, against the backdrop of conflicting Jewish and Arab nationalism, and was imported into the Arab world primarily by nationalistically minded Christian Arabs (and only subsequently was it "Islamized")" , Beit Or removed it [17] --Aminz 10:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Deepak Tijori
Deletion log
- 10:59, 3 January 2007 Jimfbleak (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Deepak Tijori" (vanity/hagiography, notability not shown)
- 10:36, 7 August 2006 Mike Rosoft (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Deepak Tijori" (Useless content - copy-and-paste from imdb.com)
- 20:33, 15 September 2005 JesseW (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Deepak Tijori" (content was: '{nn-bio}}{cleanup-importance}}Deepak Tijori (b. 28 August,1961) is an Indian actor.{}')
As you see, this was the third deletion of this article, with no sign that the article was going to become npov, non-copyright, sourced or notable. I have no issues with the protection being removed if you think that there is a proper article for this guy. jimfbleak 15:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Meetup
Since you're local, I wanted to let you know about Wikipedia:Meetup/Philadelphia 3 Raul654 22:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia policies and guidelines
Do you know how to make a Wikipedia essay a policy or guideline? What is involved in the process?--Sefringle 01:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Depictions of Muhammad
Hi Gren, I thought I'd ask for your assistance on the lead here. This BBC site is widely and rightly derided as a joke, but ALM is right that we need a source. I believe the earlier version was written by Zora. Your recent research would almost certainly be applicable here.Proabivouac 11:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Arbitration about Muhammad pictures
Hi Gern, I wish to write an arbitration case about Pictures of Muhammad dispute. Do you think it is a right idea? Will you help me in this? Thanks. --- ALM 16:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- I was thinking that if I will file the arbitration then they will think that a Muslim is fighting for his religion etc. Hence I was thinking that it would be great someone neutral that is you could do that and me, itaqallah can help you. However, now I am thinking after reading your reply that what I suppose to reply :(. --- ALM 18:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Hello Gren. Can you please help in spelling out the dispute in a good way with references etc. I will try to find someone else to file that case if you do not wish to file it. Right now lets focus on giving all the heading and establishing right sequence to present the case in effective way. I hope that you will help ... please.. regards, --- ALM 13:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Shalwar vs. Salwar Redux
Hi, Since you had posted an opinion on the preferred (Wikipedia) spelling of this apparel, I was wondering if you could respond to Shalwar vs. Salwar Redux. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Can you offer your opinion
[18] Do you have an opinion reguarding citations here?--Sefringle 23:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Milwaukee Art Museum redux
Did you have a second look at the modified versions? ~ trialsanderrors 18:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Wikiproject Actors and Filmmakers
Hey see my proposals at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Actor and Filmmakers and the main WP Film and Biography talk page. Know anybody who is interested? Actors and all film people articles need a body on wikipedia to upkeep them asthey need more focus -it would be a part of Biogrpahy and Film. If you are interested or know somebody who would be, please let them know and whether you think it is a good progession for the project or not. Please leave your views at the council or biogrpahy main talk page. THanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 14:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
THanks I've changed the name proposition to WikiProject:Film biographies ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 16:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Thankyou number 2. Oh there a perhaps over a 100 users who would be interested it is a major project missing from wikipedia and one which covers some very important articles and top visited articles. E.g Steven Spielberg, Tom Cruise etc. The rpoject would incorporate all cinema biogrpahies as most I come across are not even tagged for biogrpahy ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 16:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] en:Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Emblem of the Papacy
The differences between the other versions are merely stylistic, sorry. Cheers, F l a n k e r 12:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Plese reconsider your vote to delete Human rights in pre-Saddam Iraq
Hi Grenavitar,
I've just put a lot of work into improving Human rights in pre-Saddam Iraq so that the article is not now anything like what it was when you voted to delete but allow for recreation. Essentially, the article is recreated. I'm still not satisfied with the article, but it has roughly the proper scope and many more reliable sources. I think what I've done shows that there's too much material out there to combine this article with anything else. Significant gaps remain and some subjects should have footnotes from more sources, but I think the article is several steps toward what it should be. Noroton 22:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks . Ah ha you see thats part of my evil plan - to dominate the world by taking over wikipedia!!! THey also nominated Indramalati.! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 19:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Abdul Rahman move
Thanks, but I think something is wrong with the talk page move. I can't seem to figure access it easily; probably too many redirects.--Sefringle 10:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Re: Image:10012001.jpg
You mean 300px wide? I agree that most images should be 300px wide, I'm not sure why I did it 300px long, that was a mistake on my part, and I've been doing 300px wide all the other images I've done (at least, I think so). So I'll re-do that one to 300px wide. There was a little discussion here and when I tried to get the 300px wide (and my justification for 300px), which I can't find at the moment, but it prettymuch went nowhere, though some supported and some opposed. My main argument is that WP:IMAGE states no image should be bigger than 550px on an article, but most are used as thumbnails, where then the largest they are is 300px (hence, why I "choose" 300px). I hope this answers all your questions. --MECU≈talk 14:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image:Order4.jpg
Hi, I rescaled the image per criteria 2 and 3 of WP:FU#Policy. I am not aware of a separate policy for promotional images. Also, the photo seems to be by Warner Bros but the website that is presented as the source for this image (the-leaky-cauldron.org) is a fansite that "is in no way affiliated with J.K. Rowling, Warner Bros. or any of its partners or affiliates within the Harry Potter franchise." I cannot verify that this image is actually is a promotional photo. --KFP (talk | contribs) 17:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Four Seasons
Did you watch it? It was pretty good. Alan Alda is interesting since he wrote and directed the movie in addition to having a starring role. rydia 18:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Ok
I have seen your new edits to the page, sp I don`t have problems with that, I just wanted to correct the bad places in the table. Thanks! --Shshshsh 11:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Killer whale FPC
Hello. A Featured Picture Candidate you commented on, Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Killer whale mother and calf, is now in the section for "Older nominations requiring additional input from voters." Contributors have tried to improve it after you commented, and your opinion is welcome as to which, if any, of the available versions deserves promotion. I am sending this message to everyone who participated in the FPC. Thanks! Kla'quot 06:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
