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Contents 1 Visiting Paris? 2 Thank you 3 List of Arab scientists and scholars 4 Karachi Page 5 Hi 6 Jinnah PR 7 List of Pakistan-related topics 8 Why not "Center" an image? 9 Gujar Khan 10 apologies 11 Karachi 12 What more needs to be done before Military history of Pakistan becomes a featured article? 13 Qaumi Tarana 14 Under which category should PTDC lie? 15 Cleaning up categories tree 16 Karachi 17 Jinnah FAC 18 Chukar 19 Thanks 20 Thanks 21 Re:Jinnah 22 New 'Large French Cities' Infobox Template proposition 23 Iran reversions 24 Iran article revertions 25 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake 26 Hamedan 27 Islam 28 Thanks for the wishes 29 Iran 30 Sports In Pakistan 31 Work together 32 Definition of hybrid vehicle 33 Qaumi Tarana

[edit] Visiting Paris?

Fasten your seat belt : ) THEPROMENADER 09:14, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello Green-footed fellow,

Save for the just-recent questions of an 'intercommunality president' slot extensive dialogue (with no seeming conclusion) about two bottommost sections (that have their uses, but after today I am tempted to just chop altogether), the infobox is completed and compliant with consensus. Could you have a look and comment please? You may have to scan a bit towards the end.

Thanks. THEPROMENADER 21:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Hello Green Giant, how are you? Thanks for your support in my RFA. The final vote count was (88/3/1), so I am now an administrator. I am very humbled by your vote and grateful. Please let me know if at any stage you require assistance, or if you have comments on how I am doing as an administrator. Once again thank you and with kind regards Gryffindor 16:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Arab scientists and scholars

Thank You for your entries in List of Arab scientists and scholars. Unfortunatly its being seen by some users as vandalism! Jidan 06:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Wanted to say thank you for correcting my spelling and grammatic mistakes. Wow, didn't know that my english is that bad! Jidan 01:11, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

LOL. yes, you are right! ;-) Jidan

[edit] Karachi Page

The SeanMack has nominated Karachi page as a good article nominee, check Talk:Karachi. I think we have to form a team and work together to improve the page and get that nomination. Siddiqui 06:08, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi, thanks for the edits in Kolkata. I did not know the rule that references should be put up in the order! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 07:42, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jinnah PR

Hi - I request your help on an effort to make this article an FA. I know you can really help us solve some serious problems and add reliable info. Please check it out whenever convenient. Rama's Arrow 16:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Pakistan-related topics

Hello. I was searching around the List of lists the other day and found that many countries have a List of related topics article. Apparently Pakistan did not, so I started on. If you could, participate in the population effort. List of Pakistan-related topics. Thanks. Pepsidrinka 23:31, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why not "Center" an image?

Hi RE http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northern_Areas%2C_Pakistan&action=history, why not center an image? The image is very small and doesn't look good in the current resolution. (The link was a mistake) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Waqas.usman (talk • contribs).

The main reason for not centering an image is that it looks out of place when all the other images are right-aligned. If someone was to read an article, the best effect is when the text is not broken up by images but the images are at one side. I've been meaning to try to find a better image to replace that one anyway but I've not had the time. Also please sign your talk page messages using four tildes ~~~~ which will automatically insert your username and time and date. Green Giant 21:50, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you mean you weren't satisfied with the layout of the page in that particular case, I thought you were "prohibiting" any image to be centered :) (I forgot to sign it on the first message, and came back to write more and sign it, but forgot it again :P)

I have some images of my own from Nanga Parbat but don't have time to sort them out and upload. Waqas.usman 22:02, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gujar Khan

What is ur problem.... Dont change the page of Gujar khan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mrnaveed (talk • contribs).

What is my problem? My problem is that some people insist on ignoring Wikipedia rules. Look at the article carefully and you will see that there are images on the article with questionable copyright issues. What you did was to revert an automatic robot which had removed these images. If you can obtain permission to use those images, then there is no problem at all. If Wikipedia was to allow images to be added without permissions, then it would face legal action which would damage the project. I am changing your reversion back until the image copyright is sorted out. As to your statement, try to be more polite when you ask someone why they changed things. Remember anyone can edit these articles in good faith. Also, please sign your edits on talkpages using four tildes like this -> ~~~~ to automatically add your username and time and date. Green Giant 17:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] apologies

sorry, i apologize for those edits. thank you for your help. I will not edit your web pages again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by New Montreal (talk • contribs).

Reply posted on anon's talkpage Green Giant 18:27, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Karachi

I have a source for the info, it is in the article —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Supiwani (talk • contribs).

Could you be more precise? Where in the article is the source? Green Giant 21:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It is in the article of Karachi, under demographics, at the bottom of the table there. Supiwani 21:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

That is not a source and you can't cite other wikipedia articles as sources. It's an image created by another editor who did not cite his source either but made it clear that he had made the table himself. Please find a verifiable source such as a website by reputable organisation and then change the figures. Green Giant 22:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Supiwani 18:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC) what is wrong with http://www.karachicity.gov.pk/ top paragraph?

The top paragraph figure is something the city government has siggested for a while but not backed up with a reasoning. After the 1998 census, there were claims that the real population including shanty towns was actually 14 million, so that figure was really for 1998. In eight years the original claimants have not updated the figure so it is unacceptable for use here. The main problem is that the Population Census Organization has not provided any recent estimates since the 1998 census -> [1]. The reason I added the figure from the World Gazetteer is that it is a reliable source of information which has academic recommendations. If the city-government of Karachi or the population census people were to publish some estimates properly, it would be no problem inserting those instead of the gazetteer figures. Green Giant 22:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Supiwani 22:24, 18 April 2006 (UTC)Green Giant, if you could please put more pictures of Karachi's skyscrapers in the article.

Reply posted on Supiwani's talkpage. Green Giant 22:26, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Supiwani 22:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)what do u mean by free for use images?

Reply posted on Supiwani's talkpage. Green Giant 22:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Supiwani 23:08, 18 April 2006 (UTC)Gren Giant, there r some good photos of Karachi that r all public, go to the bottom of Karachi article,click on Flickr.com-photos of Karachi,

[edit] What more needs to be done before Military history of Pakistan becomes a featured article?

Hi Green Giant,

I have worked on the Military history of Pakistan article. I was just wondering, what do you think is needed to be done on that page before it becomes a Featured Article.

Please let me know, so I can implement these changes.

Thanks

Mercenary2k April 17, 2006 8:51 PM

[edit] Qaumi Tarana

Has been deleted per your request Admrb♉ltz ( T | C | E ) 22:40, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I changed ترانه to ترانہ and added ، to قوم ملک سلطنت to form قوم ، ملک ، سلطنت and added ! to ارض پاکستان and جان استقبال. Changed تابنندہ to تابندہ.You did an excellent job !

Siddiqui 00:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I will check the version of Pakistan's old National Anthem.

Siddiqui 04:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I changed few word in the Qaumi Tarana. Hopefully they are correct. I will double check with a dictionary this weekend.

Siddiqui 11:49, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

You did all the work. Great job !

Siddiqui 13:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Under which category should PTDC lie?

Salam, I just created a page on PTDC, where to put it in the category tree? Also, I just put the "Category:Forts in Pakistan" directly under Pakistan, later I realized that it is a category of "Buildings and structures in Pakistan", which is a category of "Pakistani architecture" which is a category of "Pakistan". What do you suggest? Waqas.usman 06:55, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleaning up categories tree

I was cleaning up the categories tree, especially under "Northern Areas" of Pakistan category lots of stuff was mixed in, towns, valleys, districts... I've created a new Category under "Category:Northern Areas, Pakistan", and added a sub-category of "Category:Cities and towns in Northern Areas, Pakistan" and another sub-category of "Category:Regions in Northern Areas, Pakistan" which lists the previous or current states that are now consider as "Northern Areas" (cities are not included in this list). I have asked a moderator for deletion of these following categories: Category:Northern Areas Category:Valleys in Northern Areas, Pakistan

I hope it's going in the right direction. Waqas.usman 07:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Excellent work, the whole area needs a thorough overhaul. I think the best place for the PTDC article whould be in Category:Tourism in Pakistan. As for the Category:Forts in Pakistan I would suggest it should go to Category:History of Pakistan but keep it in Category:Pakistani architecture as well because the forts have historical and architectural importance. I also agree with the new better-named categories for NA regions etc. Green Giant 23:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm also adding more information on Kashmir articles because they are heavily Indian POV and hardly mention the Paksitani POV. Also, the list Azad Kashmir#Geography doesn't look good here, how to present it in a better way?

And about the PTDC article, I had figured it out later and put it under that category.Waqas.usman 23:21, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Karachi

what makes world gazetteer correct,it is also an estimate of population, plus it doesn't even seem like a profesional website. Supiwani 23:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Reply posted on Supiwani's talkpage Green Giant 00:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

green giant, the first link to dawn is the migration info article, the second link is info on the port tower complex, i expanded an article on that subject, and that was my source Supiwani 00:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

how do u put images into the article?Supiwani 01:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jinnah FAC

Hi - Jinnah is FAC. I decided to move on FAC becoz I believe that all remaining objective criticism will only be obtained there. I ask for your support and welcome all criticism. Rama's Arrow 15:02, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chukar

Thanks! Glad to help! Did it from their respective natural distributions - RLP doesn't occur outside of western Europe, Chukar is native in Pakistan - MPF 15:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi Green Giant - thanks for your compliments and support for my work, and also on Jinnah's FAC. Please lemme know whenever I can be of assistance. It is very pleasing to cross 10,000. Rama's Arrow 15:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi Green Giant, thanks for your reply its really great to heare others appreciate the work were all doing.

Many thanks Fast track 23 April 2006 19:05 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Jinnah

Hi - I had added that reference from a source given to me by user:Nichalp. I'm going to sleep right now, but I assure you that when I log in 7 hours from now, I will provide an alternate, better source or take down the note. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Rama's Arrow 04:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New 'Large French Cities' Infobox Template proposition

Hello - how are you? I've left the following comment on all of the 'French City' aricles using the 'Large French Cities' template - if you can help please do:

I'd like to bring your attention to a new - or other - version of the "Large French Cities" infobox presently at use in a few French cities pages. The present version is much too large, partly because it consecrates too much space to information having little importance to French demography and an only distant and indirect relevence to the city itself. Instead I propose to follow a less cumbersome model closer to that used by the New York City article - you can view the new version in the Paris talk page here. Please view and comment. THEPROMENADER 22:26, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Here's the message I left on every talkpage containing the 'Large French Cities' infobox:

As a result of some discussion over the past weeks, there is an updated template available for perusal in its 'published ' form (filled with data) here - all comments welcome. -- THEPROMENADER 07:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iran reversions

Can you please make the next reversion. I can't do it any longer, since I will be going past 3RR. -- Jeff3000 23:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iran article revertions

Green Giant; I have asked you many times not to intitiate edit wars there, and try to work with other people. There is no reason why you should go and erase/revert so many sections, without discussing it with anybody else in that article.Zmmz 02:07, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

This thread is continued on User talk:Zmmz. Green Giant 03:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake

Hello. If your not busy, would you mind giving me some feedback for the current featured article nomination for 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake? And by the way, if the Iran article gets out of hand again, let me know. Pepsidrinka 18:36, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hamedan

I was born and raised in Iran and as far as I know it is Hamedan (atleast thats the pronounciation in Persian, the only official language of Iran), so when I saw it with alternative spelling I was surprised, I moved it but I saw the alternative spelling as alternative spelling so I didn't check the article properly I think. I thought perhaps Zereshk or others would probably fix it up or revert my actions if they're wrong (I wasn't sure about it). -- - K a s h ^{Talk | email} 22:58, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islam

Sorry, Green Giant, I hadn't meant to revert your Ismaeli edit. You know how that happens, I was writing mine when you did yours. Feel free to restore.Timothy Usher 04:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the wishes

Yes, it is always comforting to see encouraging wishes from friends. Thank you, we shall make the wikipedia the best. Thank you. --Bhadani 06:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

And, also for clearing the "air" about Faisalabad District and City. Thank you. --Bhadani 10:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iran

Hi, there was no whitespace reduced, and even if there was, the first image on a section should be in the same line as the content, not the reference to another article above the content :). Thank you for your understanding. --Darkred 23:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I see, well thank you too for not reverting to your own edits without thinking about my edits. I understand that there is no rule for where the image should start, i merely meant it looks better or more serious that way. Also your suggestion about adding material to the economy section to wipe out whitespace sounds clever, i wish you good luck. --Darkred 00:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sports In Pakistan

I was in process of editing this page when you made the changes. Your changes were overwritten. Can you please make those changes again or I can go back and make those changes later today. Sorry about it. Siddiqui 14:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Work together

In order to work together and cooperate with each other, there needs to be a minimum of compromising spirit. Unfortunately, for all the painful months that I have "experienced" Promenader's criticism, I have never detected any trace of compromise on his part. He doggedly wants to remove metropolitan area information, and whenever someone else dares to agree with me, he accuses them of being my sock puppets. Is that really the way to compromise?

French communes are like Australian local authorities, they are very small and don't accurately account for what people understand as being the city. Did you know that the city of Sydney only contained 120,000 people? What sense would it make to refer only to that tiny administrative city without refering to the larger metropolitan area. Furthermore, French communes are in a process of unification, with the creation of intercommunalities, and in places like Lille or Lyon the situation is very complex and needs to be fully accounted for in the infobox, otherwise there's no need for an infobox in the first place, like Captain Scarlet said. Hardouin 00:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

And what if we moved the strictly-speaking commune information to a City of Paris or City of Lyon article, and dedicated the Paris and Lyon articles to a more general presentation of the whole metro areas? That's what was done for Sydney (check Sydney vs City of Sydney). That's also what was done for Brussels (check Brussels vs City of Brussels). Hardouin 12:27, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I must insert another 'apples to oranges' alert here. Few city borders are as well-defined as Paris' are; few cities in the world have residents (in and out of the city) with such black-and-white ideals of what it 'in' or 'out' of Paris is. This should make this 'city article' even more simple to write, yet I am in agreement with the idea that, since Paris' natural growth does not stop at its borders, its article should speak to these limits as well within proper context. On the other hand, speaking of everything within an area including places of sometimes isolated villages of commuters to the city (rather, its urban spread) as the city itself is an idea not only ludicrous and shared by none (one has only to look at the introduction of the metropolitan area article for confirmation of this), but, more importantly, is an idea unreferencable - because it is an opinion mirrored by no referencable publication and not even in the official City of Paris, Île-de-France and INSEE websites. This fact has been related and proven perhaps hundreds of times before in the Paris talk pages.

The idea of splitting the article along the lines cited above is also ludicrous: are we suggesting that Wiki redefine 'Paris' even before its government does? This goes beyond original research. I'm sure you can cite many examples like London's "Square Mile" or the City of Sydney to try to justify a blurring of borders, but the city of Paris is nothing even remotely resembling either of these. The Brussels example is off the mark as well, as everything within a given region is generally known as 'Brussels' to its inhabitants - Paris does not share this trait in any way official or unofficial. Unlike Greater London (governed by the greater London Authority whose website (www.london.gov.uk) shows them officially using 'London' to encompass the whole Greater London area, there exists in France no governing authority greater than Paris operating under the name 'Paris' . There's Paris, its surrounding communes and more importantly, though strangely neglecting mention in the above comments, its départements, and the whole encompassed by the Île-de-France région. That's it.

The Paris article is the only in the (Wiki) world that goes to such desperate lengths to try to extend its borders in this way; I can only wonder at the motivation for this, but what I can assure is the reaction of those I'd asked to read the article (in its former state) - a schoolteacher and a newspaper journalist to name two, both of them French and lifetime Paris residents: both involved puzzlement followed by either a smile or a bout of chuckling. Or should we ignore reality, these reactions, and every reference in existence and assume that we know much better than they?

I hope my points are becoming clearer through repetition. THEPROMENADER 16:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Promenader, what's with your manner of intervening in conversation that don't involve you? Are you tracking any of my move on Wikipedia? That's becoming insane! Green Giant, maybe now you're starting to understand what I mean when I talk of my "experience" with Promenader in the past months... Hardouin 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

As for Promenader's comment that "Few city borders are as well-defined as Paris' are", that's about as ridiculous as saying that few country borders are as well-defined as France's are. Every municipality, at least in the developped world, have clearly defined borders. The borders of the City of Sydney are as clearly defined as the borders of the City of Paris. Just check any ordnance map. Yet it doesn't mean that administrative borders necessarily reflect the perception of the city by the people. In Paris they certainly don't. Hardouin 12:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Au contraire: for the people they certainly do, and it is exactly in this the meaning of my 'well-defined borders'. Exactly why this attempt at misinformation - here? THEPROMENADER 12:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

What does your propos have to do with anything above it? I have a watchlist just like you do - and what you 'proposed' here was just plain wrong. Stick to the facts please. THEPROMENADER 12:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Stop stalking, Promenader! Hardouin 12:13, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL - who's watching who? Hardoin, I need do no more than hit 'refresh' on my watchlist and I see that you're already on my tail. Green Giant, please remove these last four hors-propos statements that are only a distraction from the discussion at hand. THEPROMENADER 12:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I continue this on here because I want Green Giant to know exactly what kind of person is Promenader. Promenader always excuses his stalking by saying that it is so "easy" with IT technology (you just need to "hit refresh"). That's exactly what he said when he stalked User:Metropolitan. Green Giant, you really need to ask Metropolitan for an account of Promenader's stalking. Promenader thought that Metropolitan was my sock puppet, so he went into insane great length to prove that. Apparently, Promenader is a computer geek, so he used his computer know-how to dig Metropolitan's private life in a disgusting way. He uncovered his moves on the internet, discovered which forums on the internet Metropolitan is participating in, he even found out what internet provider are using the parents of Metropolitan!! Metropolitan was so enraged at that kind of stalking that he wrote insulting messages to Promenader, to which Promenader replied that there was no need to get upset, because it just takes 1 minute with his internet tools to find out that kind of information. As if technology was an excuse! That's the kind of person you're dealing with when you have Promenader in front of you. Now please don't believe me on my word and ask Metropolitan about the whole story. Or read his talk page. Hardouin 12:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Now you are simply being ridiculous, Hardouin. It took you a lot more work to find the info you based all that (greatly exaggerated/distorted nonesense - one IP number, one link and one Google search resulting in one forum - Metropolitan him/her self provided the rest) out about me than it took for me to follow a few links (hacker indeed - your email is 'noos.fr' right? voila your ISP). What has this to do with the facts discussed above, and what has this to do with anything contained in any article? A bit of maturity please. THEPROMENADER 12:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Definition of hybrid vehicle

I created the titular article as a repository for all the comments on Hybrid vehicle that degenerated into arguments on what one was. The comment page was huge for that article, and despite being a Wikinewbie, I thought it best to move it elsewhere. Thoughts? CGameProgrammer 02:34, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

copied from User talk:CGameProgrammer

I understand, sometimes editors lose sight of the original purpose of Wikipedia. The best place for he text however is either on the Hybrid vehicle talkpage or on a user subpage. You can create a subpage for your userspace by editing the userpage -> [2] and then typing in the following -> [[/Hybrid vehicle]]. Save your userpage and you should have a redlink which you should click. It opens a blank page to which you can post the above material and then save the page. It will be linked directly to your userpage. Green Giant 02:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Qaumi Tarana

We all shall work togethaer and try to make all those as FA. We can do it for sure. Thanks for your interest. --Bhadani 12:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)