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Contents 1 Karachi page 2 You're welcome 3 The Wiki Pakistan Community 4 Edit war 5 List of airports in Pakistan 6 Portal Link in Islam 7 Paris Pagination 8 Hunza Valley should be the main article on Hunza 9 Your message 10 Banu Musa 11 Supreme Leader of Iran 12 Paris infobox – continued 13 Help on Pakistan Occupied Kashmir page 14 Paris 'Star Drive' 15 Can you lend me a helping hand? 16 Iqbal PR 17 India -> India + Pakistan + Bangladesh 18 Mansura Jamaat 19 Tallest structures - "Paris area" 20 ktip image

[edit] Karachi page

I haved added the info about TV networks removed by Aursani and Green Giant.

[[1]] Removed by Green Giant

[[2]] Removed by Aursani

Comment by in Karachi Discussion page:

== I'll remove other channel names too ==

If you remove names of Sindhi channels from the page, I'll remove names of other channels as well. Refrain from

Vandalism. Aursani 17:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Siddiqui 18:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You're welcome

My pleasure... Crum375 23:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Wiki Pakistan Community

Hi Green Giant,

I was wondering if you have seen the following page, its a place where alot of people work as a team to progress and work together on articles and images of Wikipedia.

The Pakistani community for sometime has been very dormant, as there were not many people here to write articles related to Pakistan. If you go the following "Project page" you will see a new community has been formed, where I think alot of us should asign tasks and work more as a community than individually. Here's the link;

Wikipedia:Notice board for Pakistan-related topics. Do take a look at all the other communities the way they are working to improve articles and promote their communities.

I think its about time we all do the same. As you may notice everthing is just been laid out, so now its our turn to fill the gaps. Do pass the word on to other Pakistanis and people working on Pakistani articles.

Many thanks, Fast track 06:59 08 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit war

Hey! Giant! Another edit war has begun in Pakistan. See the changes made in economy by Holy Ganga (talk • contribs) and deletion by Anwar saadat (talk • contribs). I reverted Anwar saadat's edits, as the references provided by Holy Ganga is reliable, one of BBC and other from Foreign Policy Magazine, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. At least, BBC source is ok.

However, I should not indulge in it much as there may be question regarding nationalities, once again! Please see.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:23, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of airports in Pakistan

Salam! You reverted the extra spaces at the top, there was a reason for it; without the extra spaces the image overlaps with the table in firefox (and in opera 9 as well). See Talk:List of airports in Pakistan. I've reverted it. Waqas.usman 20:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal Link in Islam

Can you explain the reasoning behind moving the portal link to the bottom when Religion, Ayyavazhi, Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Jainism, Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism, and Zoroastrianism have it placed near the top? Thanks. BhaiSaab ^talk 20:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. BhaiSaab ^talk 23:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paris Pagination

Green Giant,

It has been a while since your tread has been felt in Paris. For the infobox discussion, only one point is being argued for now, but we've pretty well gone the round of that. I realise that you wanted to remove all of the metropolitan area info, but I thought that for reasons of explanation and clarity we should make some mention of it, albeit in a reduced and clearer form, and accompanied by the primary measure of Paris' real urban growth (that is not 'Paris' - and clearly shown as such!). You have yet to say anything about this, and it would be helpful if you make it know whether you approve, disapprove or have another suggestion. Thank you very much. --THEPROMENADER 21:26, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

PS: If you would like a clear explanation of why I think those two rows should stay, scroll (way way) down to the bottom of the talk page where you'll see a paragraph in italics - that pretty well explains it in a nutshell. Goodnight! --THEPROMENADER 22:09, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Never fear, never mind any longer - the templates are now in place. When is the 'star drive' to begin? I'm ready whenever you are. Shall we dance? THEPROMENADER 21:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I would really appreciate your input on the Talk:Paris Page. Total revert; all template articles. Four times. Thanks. THEPROMENADER 01:27, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I do lose it when I see things backtrack. Advice taken - goodnight. THEPROMENADER 01:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I left one more message on the Talk:Paris page that about sums it up: we can stop while dealing with the 'personal relations' of all this, but all that counts is fact, and if we stop halfway to fact just in order to 'play nice' then we will never have a recommendable article. User:Hardouin has thrown every roadblock possible between reason and fact, and you yourself have been witness to this - this can be very discouraging sometimes, and downright insulting when answering with fact turns to baseless (and mirrored) accusations so of course I get heated - and frustrated when nobody will take the time to verify who's got the facts straight or not.

There is absolutely no excuse for Hardouin's behaviour last night - it is of course that I complained about it, and it is of course that I was angry because of it. Remember that it was I who began the drive to garner consensus to change on that page, and in this case it was I who spent the time to do the graphic work resulting from all that. To a more pleasing end I hope! Not to mention even more talk page time wasted on re-verifying sources to clear talk page fog once again. To have a single contributor revert weeks of discussion and an afternoon's work to the very problem we were trying to fix is not a simple disagreement needing discussion to clear up: it is misconduct, and a flagrant and disruptive one at that. I don't see how anyone can see otherwise.

I do apologise for my sometime harsh tone in this affair, but it has gone on long enough - as things as they have been for the past year, the result will never be verifiable fact or reason, let alone a featured article. Here we should bend to fact ans esthetics, not the inventive aggressiveness of one contributor. Were you an admin I would ask you to mediate as you have been equally communacitive to both Hardouin and I - as it seems as though this is where this is going - but whoever does take that task will have to take a real look into the 'fact and act' of the matter - not an easy chore, I know. THEPROMENADER 08:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Green Giant: Please help to prevent any further reverting to anything not vandalism; this is the only way we can ever hope to move forward. This will also make talk pages the place for constructive discussion, instead of the heated and sometimes incomprehensible 'justifications' for reverting so discouraging to new editors. This act makes an article something to defend, not to improve, and generally polutes the editing atmosphere. So please, as you have for talk pages, please keep an eye open to make sure reverts are used for what they are intended - vandalism only. Thank you. THEPROMENADER 10:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Reverts are intended for vandalism and also for removing POV edits. Your infoboxes, which replaced all the infoboxes that I had spent a considerable amount of time working on (this, of course, is triffle to you!), are not only unnecessary (there is already the template that I created a year ago, and that can be improved on, if it needs to be improved), but they are also POV (your personal vision that metropolitan areas are irrelevant and misleading in France). Green Giant, sorry for writing this here, but I can only be totally infuriated when I read the kind of slandering Promenader is doing on everybody's talk page in my back (read User talk:Olivier for a blatant example of slandering). Hardouin 20:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hunza Valley should be the main article on Hunza

SeeTalk:Hunza. Waqas.usman 19:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

We need an admin to move the Hunza pages. Btw are you an admin? I supposed you are, you oughta be... but if you're not, I'd nominate you. Waqas.usman 20:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your message

Answered on my talk page. Hardouin 01:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, new answer on my talk page, and let's leave some time then and consider things again over the week-end (although the formal complaint filed tonight against me might not allow me to take a few days break from this)... Hardouin 02:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Banu Musa

Thanks for pointing to Banu Musa, I haden't noticed there was already a page. I merged the two, and fixed the redirects. flammifer^talk 07:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Supreme Leader of Iran

Actually, I had no idea that "Leader" was supposed to be capitalized either! I guess you learn something new everyday on Wikipedia. --HappyCamper 23:58, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad I was of some help :-) Feel free to come by again if you need a hand! --HappyCamper 00:02, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paris infobox – continued

Green Giant, there are now some other users that have expressed disagreement with Promenader's choices concerning his new infobox. You can read the messages at Talk:Paris. Several users have also complained about Promenader's new maps which do not display properly on everybody's screen. In light of this, and of what I had said before, I restored the previous infobox and made it very clear on the talk page that it was only a conservatory measure waiting for consensus to be reached about urban and metro areas and for problems solved with the maps. I think it is most reasonable to wait and not rush if the new Promenader's infobox is disputed by some and if the maps do not display correctly. Yet within 8 minutes of my edit Promenader reverted back to his infobox. There seems to be no way to reason this guy, not that I don't try. My message on the talk page was the most uncontroversial and compromising possible, I stressed that it was only a conservatory measure, but to no avail. I reckon Promenader listens to you, so perhaps you could try to talk to him. It seems only reasonable not to publish a new infobox as long as there are several users disagreeing with it. Have a look and let me know. Hardouin 18:26, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help on Pakistan Occupied Kashmir page

Greetings. I wanted to get some other opinions on whether to keep this POK page or not. I think it serves as a propaganda page rather than adding anything of value and Indian Occupied Kashmir page was rightly deleted recently and I think the same should be done with this page to avoid one-sided arguments that are unbecoming for an encylopedia. Your input would be appreciated [3]. Thanks. Tombseye 16:21, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paris 'Star Drive'

There is quite a bit of movement on the Paris page these last days, and all to the better. If you would like to contribute to the Paris 'star drive' you spoke of before, now's the time. Looking forward to it. THEPROMENADER 09:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can you lend me a helping hand?

Hi,

When the Indian Institutes of Technology article was first put for FAC, there were a lot of issues with it and as expected you voted against it. On my request, you also copyedited the article extensively to make the article clearer. Now I am planning to pose the article for FAC again. I feel a little cleanup may still be required. Can you help me by copyediting the article again. I would be grateful. Also, please tell if there are any issues that might be detrimental for its FAC. Thanks, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iqbal PR

Hi GG - I request your attention and help on making Muhammad Iqbal an FA. Please share your views on Wikipedia:Peer review/Muhammad Iqbal. Rama's Arrow 14:11, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] India -> India + Pakistan + Bangladesh

I and User:Rama's Arrow were discussing [4] linkage of pages to India when refer to pre-1947 India (undivided India). Please have a look at discussion, and comment. You can also invite user interested in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. Following is statement to start:

India after 1947 consists of three countries, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. When we use word India, in articles, refereeing to whole India, links are such that they bring us to present day India (Republic of India), reducing size of pre-1947 India considerably. Is it possible that when we refer to pre-1947 India we use a term which encompasses whole India not just present day India? Please comment.

Following are suggestions:

• British India
• Indian Subcontinent
• Undivided India
• or disamg page of India.

--Spasage 10:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mansura Jamaat

I came across this article randomly and I'm not sure what it is. I asked at the Jamaat-e-Islami article with no response so far. I put in an RfC and nothing has come back yet. I was going to ask the creator, Siddiqui but he has a Wikibreak notice up. Since I noticed that you gave him two barnstars for Pakistan-related work and it is a Pakistan stub, I thought that you might be able to help or know someone who might be able to. I really know nothing in the area. Thanks. --JGGardiner 19:31, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tallest structures - "Paris area"

A few of us have managed to come into agreement over an "in the Paris area" title - as a former participant in the discussion, your views and vote on the matter would much be welcome at Talk:List of tallest buildings and structures in Paris. Thank you. THEPROMENADER 18:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ktip image

Hey, just wanted to let you know that Image:Crystal Clear Ktip.png has been replaced by Image:Crystal Clear app ktip.png and you will probably want to update your pages/templates. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 23:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)