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Contents 1 New Categories 2 Template 3 some additions. 4 Vedic civilization in the Pakistan page 5 Formatting 6 Jinnah picture 7 History of Pakistan 8 Re:SouthAsiaWaters 9 Paris fun again 10 Thanks a lot (External link problem) 11 Your Paris Page Suggestions 12 Pakistan 13 Including 14 but 15 Paris Sandbox 16 My Rfc 17 The AfD's 18 Latvian cities 19 The test 20 Here we go again.... 21 About the templates 22 FAC 23 Much appreciation 24 Syed Babar Ali Zaidi 25 "Horosopic" astrology 26 Hymn of Russia 27 Congrats 28 Help Me with my artcile with your reviews 29 Thanks! 30 Much appreciated 31 Paris Demographics Section - edit war? 32 RfA Results and Thanks

[edit] New Categories

I would like you to join following two categories of Muslims that have been censored by Zionista and Hindutva editors from posting your contributions.

• Category:Wikipedians censored by Zionist editors
• Category:Wikipedians censored by Hindutva editors

Siddiqui 03:09, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template

Since you seem to be heavily involved in many Pakistani articles, I'd like to know if you have ever seen this template on any page. Its the infobox that's on the Pakistan article in template form. Seems kind of useless, as Pakistan is probably the only page that would use it. What links here shows no other article, but that may be because WLH has been malfunctioning lately and I don't know if its been fixed yet. Pepsidrinka 19:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] some additions.

I,ve had a few dates and facts added and made a few alterations to the 3rd history chapter of http://www.khairpursindh.org. Please check them out. the sabre rattling is still there though. Arsalan.

[edit] Vedic civilization in the Pakistan page

For discussion, posted to Talk:Pakistan:

I propose to change the following paragraph:

The region was the site of one of the earliest towns in the world at Mehrgarh and later much of the Indus Valley Civilisation. That civilisation went into decline prior to the arrival of Indo-Aryan tribes from Central Asia. The two cultures mixed to produce the Vedic Civilisation that existed from Gandhara to the valley of the Ganges River, in what is now modern India, around 1500 BCE and helped shape subsequent South Asia cultures. However, this Aryan Invasion Theory has been challenged on the basis of new evidence which suggests that South Asian history shows continuity of progress from the earliest times to today and that changes brought by other cultures were not a major ingredient in the development of the Vedic Civilisation^[1].

This version has a number of problems:

• It omits the view, once almost universal and still widely-held, that invaders from Central Asia were responsible for the decline of the Harrapan civilization.
• Whether, and to what extent the two cultures mixed or not is not known. One view is that the culture of the invaders largely replaced that of the natives. One widely-held view is that the caste system in India stems from an institutionalization of the racial differences between the new Caucasian rulers and the dark-skinned natives. This is supported by DNA analysis, which has found European genetic markers in the Y chromosomes of Brahmins, but not in other castes.
• The text could be construed as claiming that the whole region from Gandhara to the Ganges is in modern India. However, Gandhara is not in modern India.
• Whether the Vedic Civilization existed as early as 1500 BC is a matter of dispute between Hindu nationalists, who say that it did, and the vast majority of secular scholars who say that it evolved later. The text not only claims unequivocally that the Vedic civilisation is that old, but also that it extended from Gandhara to the Gangetic plain. I believe the preponderance of scholarly opinion is that the latter was heavily forested at that time, and was settled much later.
• The text suggests that "new evidence" largely supports the indigenous-origin theory, and fails to mention that much new evidence tends to support the exogenous-origin theory.
• It fails to mention the Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex, the most likely origin of the invaders.
• It fails to mention that the vast majority of secular scholars worldwide believe that the origin of Indo-European languages was not in India, and that Sanskrit and other Indo-European languages are relatively recent arrivals in India. Dating methods such as glottochronology have been used to estimate the date of origin of the Sanskrit language. Sanskrit probably evolved out of proto-Avestan in or around the area of the Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex.

In conclusion, the existing text has factual errors, and at many points, presents one view, to the exclusion of other views that have more support in the peer-reviewed literature, especially among those who are not motivated by religious or nationalistic chauvanism. Would anyone like to propose a factually-accurate neutrally-worded text here?

[edit] Formatting

Please format Air Bases of Pakistan Air Force page. Siddiqui 18:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Must I say dear sir that as a new user I haven't had the time to manage to decode the rules and regulation, for I understand what you are accussing me of in relativity to the section Of Geography in the article India. --ishu 19:21, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Your Kindness and goodwill is much accepted by myself, however , I have taken heed to the basic rules, and am beginning anew. --ishu 19:28, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jinnah picture

The Muhammad Ali Jinnah picture on the Pakistan page is currently said to be fair use. More than likely, it has passed into the public domain. Indian public domain laws say that a picture taken prior to 1946 are now in the public domain. Pakistan public domain laws are even more lenient, dating back to the 1950s. Since Muhammad Ali Jinnah died in 1948, the picture surely meets the Pakistan PD law. However, I'm almost certain the picture was taken in India, and I'm inclined to believe that the picture was published in India as well. Would you say these are valid assumptions? The India tag is Template:PD-India, while the Pakistan tag is Template:PD-Pakistan, which provide the specifics of the PD law. Pepsidrinka 20:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of Pakistan

Thankyou very much for reverting my addition of History of Pakitsan section Pakistan page. I will be creating a new page for Pakistan's history and I hope you will not make same revertions in that page. Siddiqui 16:48, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:SouthAsiaWaters

Hi - find it hard to believe that its the most interesting, but definitely it can be expanded to include lakes. Please feel free to chip in. Rama's Arrow 03:35, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paris fun again

Green Giant,

I'm in no state to deal with this (I'm in the midst of post-season photo editing), but it looks like the 'Paris' fun has begun again. Dealing with this Hardouin character is indeed like banging one's head against a brick wall - and repetition only makes it flatter. I cannot enter another one-on-one battle - those days are over - but to make any edits 'stick' we're going to have to come up with some sort of consensus. Yet I fear even this will be ignored, as Hardouin has reverted past many edits from many users, and even your infobox modifications. I'm really getting tired of this. I hope you can take a more active role, as alone, even when in reason, one can do nothing. THEPROMENADER 08:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

PS: I also took the time to submit a WP:RfC and add an announcement to the Wikipedia Community Portal - with added editors perhaps we can break this deadlock, because as long as Hardouin keeps 'reverting to the old', a deadlock it is. Thanks and have a great weekend. THEPROMENADER 11:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Just another quick note - I noticed that the same person mentioned above also updated 'his/her' infobox with statistics from the 'World gazeteer' site that you provided - I would be careful of this source, as I have mentioined before. I also note that in GEsources' writeup of the site they put "It offers 'current population figures for cities, towns and places of all countries'." - placed between quotations like this, as it is on the site, is hardly a solid recommendation - as this is the site's own claim - and the site itself does not cite its sources. But the most important fact is that, if the INSEE didn't publish any estimations, no publishable sources exist. It's unfortunate that placing 'information of choice' is more important to some than information itself, and it is for this that questioning the true valor of information presented is conveniently and abusively skipped.

BTW, I will be putting your version of the infobox back into place until we can reach a final consensus on which form it should take. That sort of disregard and imposition is inacceptable. All the same, I still don't know the when and what of it all, but will look hopefully later today. I don't understand why you just let this happen, but if you agree with it let me know and I will change nothing. THEPROMENADER 13:40, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Can I ask you for your point of view on the above - should I just drop it? After last night's reverts, I intend to lodge a formal 'user conduct' complaint about Hardouin - that user's Paris page appropriation has gone on long enough. I especially want to focus on Hardouin's insistance on publishing (and reverting to) original research, personal opinions and factual errors and inventions - wiki should not be like this. I would like to ask you for some input there too - a word will do when I file the complaint. THEPROMENADER 07:39, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks a lot (External link problem)

Wow! The procedure worked nicely ! The external link is now established.Thank you for your excellent help !! Thanks a lot.--Dwaipayanc 07:05, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Paris Page Suggestions

I just wanted to let you know that I agree totally with your Paris article recommendations and you have my total support, but I would like to leave off answering your messages on its talk page to let others reply first - my presence there has been a bit overbearing lately. I was in a similar 'proposition' situation quite some months ago and could get no consensus - but rest assured that this time you have mine.

Take care,

THEPROMENADER 17:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

LOL! Love your new userpage layout. Do let's continue our conversation on the Paris page about improvements - and let's hope others will join in too. In the meantime, I've begun the Paris metropolitan area article today - I think my writeup there sums what it is up nicely. I just saw your Paris sandbox - can I come play in it too? Joke aside, this is a great way to work out possible article writeup/layout solutions. Could we perhaps do this together - for starters? THEPROMENADER 23:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Never mind apologising for your absence - no problem at all. I must admit though that I was a bit puzzled at your lack of response to issues you yourself had brought up. You are not the only one overworked and underpaid - well, what is well-paid covers for when things get 'sparse' between fashion seasons.

Thanks for the invitation - you know, what you have undertaken lately is almost exactly (down to the sandbox 'Paris page') what I had attempted to do six months before - if it doesn't bore you, have a look (way) back in Paris' talk page history - I think I posted a link to this in one of my answers to you.

I'm looking forward to working with you towards bringing the Paris page up to featured status. Working positively, in reason, I'm sure we can pull this article out of its months-long stagnated state into something read-worthy - and even beautiful! Thank you so much for your support (past and future) in this - it is thanks to you that we can move forward. Once the improvements begin, I hope others will jump on too. I'm ready whenever you are - let's get to work!

THEPROMENADER 11:35, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

There's been a bit more reverting, but there is some discussion going on on the talk page - why don't you join in? I'm a bit puzzled at your not following up on your former change propositions - now is perhaps a good time to forward them again? There are some interesting ideas floating for now. Take care. THEPROMENADER 10:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pakistan

Do you think it is time to nominate Pakistan to featured article status, or would you rather work on it some more. In my opinion, it is ready, though I will defer if you prefer. Pepsidrinka 03:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Including

Your message was a tonic not a hazard – “including” takes care of “etc.” hahaha. --Bhadani 13:05, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Green Giant looks yellow. --Bhadani 13:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] but

Yeah, but that fine distinction might be lost on most readers. I thought 'and' might be better, except it's a rather long sentence then.

Good article. Tony 11:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paris Sandbox

Made a few castles today. Left a note on the talk page!

THEPROMENADER 11:54, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Rfc

Please comment on my Rfc. Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jersey Devil--Jersey Devil 02:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The AfD's

Yeah, I got tired of copy&pasting the same thing everywhere :-) And I kept stumbling on new ones... Your suggestion of a dynasty article was an excellent one though! Weregerbil 09:33, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Latvian cities

Thanks for trying to help me, I do have few questions it would be very nice from you if you could answer - left them on my talk page -- Xil/talk 11:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The test

Thanks for your greetings. I thought to take the Test, but decided not to -as it is dangerous for a wiki-addict to take the test - let me become "more-addict", then I may decide. --Bhadani 14:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

This page is beautiful, I am temted to copy it: Please remember, Bhadani is a great theaf, and he steals without warning! --Bhadani 14:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Let us bait - who is more ugly-looking? --Bhadani 11:10, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Here we go again....

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Kurdistan - Bertilvidet 00:36, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About the templates

Hi, I just wanted to tell you that I totally agree with you about the templates being uneconomical as they will only be used on the Portal:Pakistan or the WP:PKWNB.But you suggested nothing about their future, Should I mark them for deletion and copy they code to the page instead of using template but they editing the page will be like hell becuase of all the coding with the text.Thankyou Wolverine^talk 21:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAC

Hello Coca Cola...err Green Giant. Was just reading your user page. Interesting that Green Giant (aka Coca Cola) and Pepsidrinka seem to get along so well in editing. I was wondering if you had any articles you in mind that you wanted to like work towards making another featured article (yes, I'm being premature, but the Pakistan-nom is all but finalized). Anyhow, this whole turning articles into one of the thousand best articles on WP seems rather fulfilling. Pepsidrinka 22:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I haven't really gotten back to you on this, because well, I really don't know which article I myself would like to edit. I've come to a inconclusive conclusion and decided that I'm going to work on Karachi for a while and if you'd like to help, I'd very much appreciate it.

[edit] Much appreciation

I do in fact feel like such a nerd, being an administrator to an encyclopedia. Who would have thought. Thank you for the support vote on the RfA (and the chocolate). I was in fact hesitant to accept the nomination, yet I saw three people supporting me prior to my acceptance (you being the first), so I figured I'd go ahead and accept and see what happened. Thank you.

[edit] Syed Babar Ali Zaidi

Thanks for the heads up. I did consider speedying it myself but I wasn't 100% sure (despite the lack of Google hits and the lack of credibility on the face of it). Good have someone with more knowledge of the subject deal with it :-) —Whouk (talk) 11:40, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

PS: I liked your version of the talk page archivebox so I've "borrowed" it for my first talk page archiving. Hope that's OK. —Whouk (talk) 12:01, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Horosopic" astrology

Sorry about that! Ha, I feel like an idiot. Thank you. Samuella 01:55, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hymn of Russia

I have no clue what you done at [2], but I been trying to get that same effect for who-knows how long now. So, for not only doing that, and for the grammar check, that barnstar to the right of the screen is officially yours for the taking. Thanks. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 04:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar, it is my first so I will place it on my userpage. What I did was to remove the width code which was pushing the Russian column of the hymn table to 50% of the page. It should work with wdith at 33% but I don't think it's worth the effort. Anyway thanks for the barnstar and if I can help in anyway, feel free to ask. Green Giant 05:18, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats

Hi ! Congrats for helping Pakistan become a Featured article!--Dwaipayanc 08:52, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, Kolkata is a still very long run! And it needs help from wikipedians like you and all. Thanks!--Dwaipayanc 09:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

• That full moon beach party looks like a blast. Incidently, it takes a "wiki-nerd" to know a "wiki-nerd". And since you were more instrumental in the article than I was, or any other editor, I would have to go out on a limb and say you are the bigger nerd of the two of us. Pepsidrinka 15:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help Me with my artcile with your reviews

Green Gaint, you probably alread ysaw my article Islamic Rulings. I ma trying to expand it and I am trying to make it a resourceful article for those who want to see these rulings as Muslim scholars percieve it by citing the resources. Tell me how it is and ways I can improve it, I plan to expand the artcile much longer. Please comments on my talk page. Thanks alot. MuslimsofUmreka 01:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Hey Green Giant, I'd really like thank you for taking the time to vote at my RfA. I withdrew due to certain controversies, but I appreciated your vote and hope to see you here in the future. Thanks again. --Khoikhoi 05:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for your support. BTW, nice work on the Pakistan page! :) --Khoikhoi 02:36, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Much appreciated

Thanks lots for taking the time to clean up the spelling and grammar in Richard Francis Burton. Good work. --Richard Clegg 12:36, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paris Demographics Section - edit war?

I was wondering in your (big grin) 'threats' you were referring to my promising to re-insert the shortened Demographics text reverted by Hardouin - would you consider this as continuing the 'war'? I would consider it as re-instating an improvement re-inserts but for sure I don't want to fan flames. I thought it best to ask you before I went ahead with this - Giants are sooooo scary. THEPROMENADER 07:46, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, I'll go ahead when it is ready. In the meantime, I'm playing in your sandbox this morning : ) THEPROMENADER 08:31, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I really get the impression that some things are going to 'reappear' tonight. Hope I'm wrong. THEPROMENADER 20:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA Results and Thanks

Green Giant/Archive 02, thank you for supporting me in my recent RfA. Although it did not succeed as no consensus was declared (final: 65/29/7), I know that there is always an opportunity to request adminship again. If and when that day comes, I hope you will once again support me. If at any time I make any mistakes or if you would like to comment on my contributions to Wikipedia, you are more than welcome to do so. Regardless of your religious, cultural, and personal beliefs, I pray that whatever and whoever motivates you in life continues to guide you on the most righteous path. --- joturner 12:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)