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Did a Minor Cleanup of the Article, have simmilar background in Anime. Hope this Helps. J
Actually, in the Force Five version Orion's earth name is Johnny Valconian as the professor acted as his father to further the charade. Also, the other pilot, Koji, who later piloted the Spacer 2, is known as Lance Hyatt.
- According to the Force Five version Antares was populated with the galaxy's most intelligent scientific minds, their intelligence was forced into subjugation and they were the one's who created Grandizer. This is what enabled Orion Quest to steal the robot and flee from the Vegans.(unsigned)
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- Sorry. but Antares/Fleed did NOT create Grandizer. All the accounts of how OrionQuest/Duke Fleed came to earth mention the fact that he did steal the robot from his Vegan captors. Also, an important part of the plot in episode 49 The Last Survivor is that Princess Maria Grace Fleed's "grandfather" (actually her preceptor) gets killed in an accident he could not avoid because he was frantic after seeing Grandizer, which he recognized as the machine that spearheaded the attack on Antares/Fleed... Antares were peace lovers who would never have created such a war machine. --Svartalf 03:45, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay, well not only did I grow up with the Force Five version but, am also of Japanese decent. I know the story, and can unequivocally provide translation, so why argue? P.S. look up subjugation.
Uh...the story I remember is that in Force Five the bad guys took over Orion's planet and used its science to create the robot, THEN he stole it from them. Maybe that's different in the Japanese version, which I've never seen, but I seem to recall hearing it's similar. P.S. a few weeks ago there was this fair in my town with a merry-go-round that had cars that were undoubtedly based on Grendizer in the saucer. It was weird. Gladrius
[edit] About the Fanboy's obsession with the plot summary
The article about the anime show Grendizer has been edited (in a amateurish and selfish way) by some "fanboy" who does not appreciate previous attempts of cleaning the article to a standard quality and value, and apparently does not understand that the purpose of this encyclopedia is to provide the most accurate information about the original subject, regardless of its origin and language.
For example, the last edit made by this person consisted in editing plot information and trying to justify his actions by writing that, quote "For this English Wikipedia we shall use the English version of the story[...]".
This person has to consider that the focus of a plot summary based on Force Five Grandizer, a Japanese anime series that was edited and modified from the original for foreign marketing (in this case in the U.S.) cannot be taken as the ultimate and definitive source of information, but rather as an alternate source, or in another case, an source of the "modified version". For an example of this reasoning, the person should refer to the Macross/Robotech anime articles, which provides an ample example of how to handle information about an original Japanese anime show (Macross), and its American-edited counterpart (Robotech). Yet another example of this is the Voltron anime article, which submits information from both American and Japanese versions of the show, without making excuses about languages and/or using only information from one version or another.
I must make myself clear to say that the plot information provided by this person is welcome and highly appreciated, it just has to be managed and presented in a proper manner.
I suggest to this person that he or she should be more open and conscious about the true intent of an encyclopedia, not limiting him/herself by closed-minded views of languages and sources. papo1975
[edit] Grendizer's mixed-up history
The confusion generated by having different perspectives on the story is understandable. It doesn't help that there have also been different takes on its roots and developments - though not to the extent of the various elseworlds and additions Go Nagai developed around the Devilman and Mazinger franchises. Mazinkaiser was born as a video game character first, the ultimate - quite godlike, actually - incarnation of the legendary super robot, then it was added into the storyline. In his manga version, Gosaku Ota even linked planet Fleed's origins to the lost continent of Mu!
The forthcoming release of the official Grendizer DVD set will probably shed further light on the issue; the estabilished tradition in Italy had King Vega being the actual thief, and Maria, Duke Fleed's sister, was thus led to believe that the Vegans were operating the robot.
-- Dark Schneider
[edit] Cleaned Up?
I recently made some edits to the page, I hope it's good enough. Also, I don't know how to properly use the spoiler tag, so you'll have to forgive me.
[edit] Plot & History
It seems to me that the History section should be incorporated into the Plot section to save space and prevent redundancies. Also, the robot information should probably be moved to its own article. Kouban 21:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I rewrote the plot section a bit and kept some relevant stuff. Tell me waht you think. AceWhatever 22:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ferdinand Marcos
I'm changing this part a little because it was common knowledge that the Marcos were scared that this show would make people rebellious of his reign.
NOTE!! Hello there fans. If you do not mind I am ading some information to the Grendizer wiki page. I wish to aim to make far more organized. Also I would like to add more accurate information, since this is an older show. What do you think. I have already added to the info boxes. Check them out and let me know what you think.
