Talk:Greensboro Urban Loop

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[edit] Merge

There was a discussion on this before we split up the article, and unfortunately, whoever did the moving and splitting or whatever lost the discussion, but the main points were

• The Urban Loop and I-840 are not one in the same. The loop consists of The whole thing, and currently is pretty much just I-85 and soon I-40 along the southern portion. I-840 will be the northern half of the urban loop.

• The urban loop consists of I-840, but I-840 is not the entire urban loop. They deserve separate articles.

--MPD01605 (T / C) 00:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

So why not have one article for the full loop, and redirect I-840 to it? --SPUI (T - C) 01:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with SPUI. Since Interstate 840 (North Carolina) is just a one-sentence stub, undeserving of its own article in its current state. Perhaps when the loop is completed there will be more to say, but for now I see no harm in redirecting Interstate 840 to here. -- NORTH ^talk 01:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Here's the discussion from the decision to split, it's from the I-840 dab page:

This is a difficult article. If it's going to be I-840, then perhaps we need to split and have a separate Greensboro Urban Loop article. Or we should make this a Greensboro Urban Loop article until 840/785 is furthur built. Any ideas? MPD01605 06:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, I-840 and the Greensboro Urban Loop will be the same road for both of their entire lengths...so we think. In the future, I-840 might be signed only along the north side of the loop as to prevent I-40, I-85, I-73, and I-840 from being signed along the same stretch of road and creating confusion. Of course, the only facts I have to support this possibility are that along the I-85 bypass, there are no I-840 signs yet. That doesn't really prove anything though. Right now, all the information we have for the Loop is the same that we have for I-840. There's nothing really different. I wouldn't make a seperate article until some differing information develops. --TinMan 05:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow I totally missed this reply. Anyway, from all the literature I've seen, 840 is only going to be signed on the northern half. This is from the NCDOT [1], and from another source [2][3]. There is no signage on the currently built southern portion that has room for an 840 shield, which is another clue that 840 is only the northern half. But the Urban Loop is (will be) 840/785/85/40/73, and not just 840, which is why there should be two articles- Interstate 840 and the Greensboro Urban Loop. This one article gives the impression that the entire loop will be 840. This isn't dire, but I think it has to be addressed, because it would also de-clutter this article some. But no rush, we can at least wait until the southern half is complete to start thinking about it.

If anything else, I move that we change the title of the page to Interstate 840 (North Carolina) for the time being. Then Tennessee's can redirect to wherever it is that it goes right now. --MPD01605 (T / C) 01:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, well 2 articles it should be. The map I have has 840 around the whole thing, but I think I trust NCDOT more. It was probably one of those quick map jobs. --TinMan 02:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

--MPD01605 (T / C) 02:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

SPUI, although I do not appreciate you editing the I-840 article before we came to consensus, I can see where you're coming from, and agree with both you and Northenglish. I added I-840 into the urban loop article and will redirect accordingly. I do think this works well now. --MPD01605 (T / C) 02:47, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it was split after a request to do so. At first I didn't want to split it because I thought 840 was covering the entire loop as with 640 & 440 in Raleigh and 485 in Charlotte. Then it was realized that 840 would only cover the northern segment as to prevent the confusing "Inner/Outer" orientation and 4 interstate routes overlapping south of Greensboro. I-785 will cover the northeast segment and who knows exactly where I-73 will exit off the loop: more than likely around Bryan Boulevard. So, I-840 is just a part of the whole loop and will need a more detailed separate article, eventually. So if you want to bother merging them again, go ahead until it is futher built, that's fine with me. As for SPUI, he's been changing all my contributions recently for some reason, so I'm trying to keep up in replying, explaining, and a little reverting. --TinMan 22:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed bad link

• NCDOT State Transportation Improvement Plan, 2006-2012, p 7-14

Was removed because it points to a 404. I have been looking for a decent map forever from the NC DOT or any other source, since I live on the NW side of where the loop will be, but can't find anything. Google Earth shows a good idea of the southern sections that have not been completed. If I can find a good free map, or create one based on RELIABLE info, will upload.

Found a good map, unfortunately in PDF, but added to the external links.

When the NCDOT redesigned their website, most of the old links died. --TinMan 20:58, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I could not find a single jpg/png/gif image that was good enough to be used, even if I could get permission. Even this pdf lacks a bit of detail at the interchanges. I had hoped to create one in photoshop, but would need a decent 'free' map to start with, and lots of patience. Since this isn't my specialty when it comes to photoshop, I will only as a last resort. Pharmboy 21:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)