Talk:Grattan massacre

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I've been to the location of the Blue Water Creek battle, it is on private land and not marked, found it with GPS co-ordinates. It is near Ash Hollow, but not at Ash Hollow, maybe 30 miles away. Unless I'm confused about what is considered "Ash Hollow". If any one local or more knowledgeable can clarify that part of the article. Also of significance the Oregon Trail runs by there. Stbalbach 13:16, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright violation?

http://www.mormontrail.net/mormonnews_detail.php?ID=46 Stbalbach 14:20, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I re-wrote the entire article to fix copyright problems. Stbalbach 16:20, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article in serious historical error

This article reads as if Harney's attack on Little Thunder's band at Blue Water Creek, a.k.a. the "Battle" of Ash Hollow, is properly referred to as the Grattan Massacre, but it's not. The Grattan Massacre is the 8/19/1854 incident in which Brevet 2nd Lieut. John Grattan was killed along with his entire detachment. The press used the incident to whip up anti-Indian sentiment nationwide. Harney's assault occured over a year later, on 9/3/1855, and is referred to as the Battle of Ash Hollow, a separate incident entirely, which deserves a separate article.

Thanks for the clarification. Keeping as one article, the events are so closely linked there is not reason to have seperate articles, created a number of redirects so it all goes to the same place. Still some confusion on proper name, Battle of Ash Hollow or Battle of Bluewater Creek. My National Geographic map shows it as "Bluewater Creek battlefield". --Stbalbach 19:17, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Moved Section

The Battle of Ash Hollow section which was formerly part of this article has been moved to a separate article Battle of Ash Hollow. The Category links on this article are still labeled as Battle of Bluewater Creek. Eventually those will need to be changed also

This article seems seriously biased. Since there were no white survivors, we have only the Indian version of events. This is presented as fact. It seems to me unlikely that a detachment of twenty seven armed soldiers, bent on violence, (which is implied in the article), should have been wiped out by Indians who had only peaceful intentions.