Talk:Grant Neufeld

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An individual covered in this article, Grant Neufeld, has edited Wikipedia as GrantNeufeld (talk • contribs).

This article was nominated for deletion on 2004-10-27. The result of the discussion was delete.

This article was nominated for deletion on 2005-04-01. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

This article was nominated for deletion on 2005-04-09. The result of the discussion was keep.

This article was nominated for deletion on 2005-12-21. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 Votes for deletion 2 Prior VfD 3 copyedit 4 Documenting References - Not Original Research 4.1 Personal Info 4.2 Politics 4.3 Activism 4.4 Independent Media 4.5 Publications 5 Neutral Point Of View 6 Wikipedia Meetup organizing

[edit] Votes for deletion

This page was recently nominated for deletion, and the consensus decision was to keep it. The deletion debate is archived here. ugen64 03:26, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Seems like you care a lot more about your ego than activism. - C00li0

A rather good (and worthy) article for vanity. :-D - Earl Andrew 01:12, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Indeed. mat334 | talk 01:14, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment! I've been trying to get the hang of WP-style writing, and laboured hard to make this article fit well, avoid being a resumé, and be NPOV. I figured that with 3 articles on WP now mentioning me (Alberta general election, 2004, Alberta Greens and Revolutionary Knitting Circle), that there was (probably just barely ;-) ) enough merit to including this article. -GrantNeufeld 00:06, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure how worthy the revolutionary knitting circle is, but I'm not going to be bothered in looking into it. :D -- Earl Andrew - talk 00:10, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This article has been voted to be deleted. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Grant Neufeld/vote1. --Spinboy 21:10, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

That was a vote from last fall. This is an entirely different and new article that should not be a candidate for speedy deletion, and which should have new debate over whether to delete. -GrantNeufeld 00:06, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I disagaree, the policy is that if it's re-created, then it should be speedied. --Spinboy 00:09, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's aside from the fact it's vanity. You aren't notable, Grant. --Spinboy 00:15, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Prior VfD

I have removed the Speedy tag from the article, with the edit summary rm Speedy tag -- expanded greatly from prior version (i.e. same topic, but not the same article that went through VfD). In the previous VfD, only two people commented negatively about notability, while one made a positive assertion about notability. I'm not certain that the article was deleted on grounds of notability, and since the content of the current article is sufficiently different from the first, I wouldn't be willing to call this a recreated article. It may be vanity, in that it was written by the subject of the article, but vanity is not a CSD. SWAdair | Talk 10:52, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fine, I listed it on vfd. --Spinboy 17:22, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] copyedit

Grant, through the power of Wikipeda, your vanity article has been re-written. Fear the might of Wikipedian pedants! I agree with Earl that this was pretty good for a vanity article -- not too hagiographic. I've toned it down a bit more, and made it more (I hope) encyclopedic. I've also corrected some typos and abuse of italics, which should be used for book/magazine/newspaper titles and foreign phrases, but not for organization names. Also, "it's" means "it is", and is not used for the possessive, which is "its". I am actually surprised that a self-written bio could get my vote for "keep" on a VfD. Good work. Kevintoronto

Actually, I don't fear the pedants - I revel in their (your) contributions! Thanks for the pointer on italics - a (bad for WP) habit I have from some other (non-WP) documenting I've done. Good catch on the it's/its. I'm usually good about that (and their/there/they're), but slip up every once in awhile (which is a prime example of how everyone needs an editor). Even if we know all the rules of grammar and spelling, we will still occasionally miss our own mistakes when reading things over.

Thanks, also, for your kind compliment. As I've said, I tried very hard to make it as WP an article as possible with maximal NPOV. That was challenging because I always find it awkward talking about myself in the third person - which, thankfully, rarely happens. -GrantNeufeld 00:43, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Documenting References - Not Original Research

Given that "The novelty of research or terms used in this article is disputed," here are some detailed references: (GrantNeufeld 01:14, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC))

[edit] Personal Info

See the Revolutionary Knitting Circle's media archive to verify the "noted knitter" statement.

I can't find anywhere (aside from my birth certificate) that documents that I was born in Edmonton, so I'll strike that from the article.

As to my employment at The Arusha Centre on the Calgary Dollars project, please refer to the staff page.

[edit] Politics

See Alberta Greens, the Green Party of Alberta website and Alberta general election, 2004.

[edit] Activism

Most of the statements here can be confirmed through articles found on my press clippings page.

In addition to those articles:

• Calgary Activist Network[1] and the history of the Network.
• Revolutionary Knitting Circle Revolutionary knitting in the news.
• Project Sudan[2].
• Calgary G8 ACT[3].
• Peace Calgary[4], in particular, the news pages.
• Alberta Social Forum[5] (see the section on Paid Positions in the Minutes of July 20, 2004 meeting).

The Calgary Rainforest Action Group is long defunct and does not have records online. To be honest, I don't know who (if anyone) would have the records of the group now. So, I'll strike that paragraph from the article unless I can track that info down.

[edit] Independent Media

CJSW and CKCU don't maintain a public record of past shows or show hosts, so I'm not sure how we could verify that section, so this is another paragraph I'll strike from the article. Sigh.

The old website for The Independent Reporter can be viewed on the Internet Archive page for www.independentreporter.com (note that archives after January 2002 go to a site squatter who snatched the domain when I let it lapse).

The Alberta Indymedia website has been down since last year, but you can still review its content at the Internet Archive, along with its predecessor, the old Calgary Indymedia site (note that calgary.indymedia.org was kept as an alias for alberta.indymedia.org when Calgary Indymedia became Alberta Indymedia - so the pages on it after August 2, 2001, are duplicates).

I forgot to flag my underground newspaper in high school as currently unverifiable, so I've removed it from the article. -GrantNeufeld 01:25, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Publications

Reading the first line of the RFC will verify my authorship :-)

[edit] Neutral Point Of View

The NPOV box has been on this article since April 9, 2005, with no discussion to support it on this talk page. Aside from the fact that I initiated the article and have contributed to it - points which were discussed for the VfDs - are there any points to support the continued presence of the box on this article? Thanks. --GrantNeufeld 17:01, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

While I disagree with vanity wikipedia entries, I have read this entry many times and cannot find anything which isn't neutral. I also vote for removal of the NPOV box. gord 04:08, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I second that. The nominator has not provided any examples of it being POV. Ground Zero | t 14:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Meetup organizing

I don't think it warrants mentioning that I organized a Wikipedia Meetup in Calgary. It was a pretty minor event in the scheme of things, and probably a little too self-referential to Wikipedia. —GrantNeufeld 00:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)