Talk:Gothic music

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 25 February 2006. The result of the discussion was redirect to "Gothic rock".

Can this be directed to Goth#Music? Gah, I should apply to be an admin at some point... --MilkMiruku 15:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Sadly not. Redirects to sections are not currently implemented as part of MediaWiki. Feel free to discuss this at the Village Pump though. --Celestianpower háblame 15:32, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
ah well.. how about to just goth then? gothic rock isn't really representative of the types of music goths listen to these days. --MilkMiruku 20:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Gothic means all music that is Gothic, not just what Goths listen to. Which would then emmit such genres as Gothic Metal. Ley Shade 00:31, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
then how about a quick disambig page, something along the lines of

The term gothic music has been used to refer to:

--MilkMiruku 12:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

In hindsight, that is what probally should of been done in the first place. Ley Shade 13:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Deletion

I deleted the second part of the disambiguation, because a Goth can prefer any kind of music, for example:


The second reason is: These kinds of music aren't Gothic music styles. --~Menorrhea 17:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gothic Metal

Shouldn't we add gothic metal too?It has nothing to do with the gothic subculture but it's related to gothic art, poetry and things like that. 88.87.6.72 07:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] reorganization

Based on what I see, I think this page refers to kinds of music people generally might be found out in "the wild" calling "goth music". Some people call Black Metal 'gothic' as well. Metal has nothing to do with the goth subculture itself according to the goth subculture pages and the gothic metal pages and if this is contentious I can bring in sources, but I assume it is obvious; likewise 2 seperate dictionaries refer to "gothrock" as simply being "goth". And this is how labels and magazines use the term as well.. to this end I've kept ALL the links. nothing is removed. I've added Black Metal. And I've seperated the music styles into 3 sections.

1st is "goth rock" which is what some lay person off the street is probably really looking for since dictionaries report word usage and the dictionary is a reliable secondary source. 2nd is the music associated with the goth scene/subculture as many are taking an "inclusive" rather than "exclusive" approach to the word "goth". 3rd is the heavy metal music. I've indicated its a misnomer to call this "goth music". Metalheads and goths, music magazines etc dont use "goth" to refer to metal. It is basically a misnomer only used by lay people outside of the music scene. However I believe it belongs here because people outside the music scene will use wiki and try to find it by the term 'goth music'.TheDarknessVisible 20:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Some people call Black Metal 'gothic' ... Some people are simply stupid. These people use the term Black Metal for artists such as Cradle of Filth and others. But these bands aren't Black metal and black metal isn't goth.
It is basically a misnomer only used by lay people outside of the music scene.... These people are absolutely irrelevant. It's the same shit with bands like Rammstein or Nine Inch Nails. By a handful of stupid kids Rammstein or NIN are categorized as "gothic". By a handful of stupid kids Tokio Hotel or Marilyn Manson are categorized as "gothic"...etc. --~Menorrhea 20:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)