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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:HenryGreenEngine.jpg

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Done. Gonzerelli

[edit] Barnstar

I award you this barnstar for your excellent work on the Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends) article. Thryduulf 18:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I award you this barnstar for your excellent work on the Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends) article. Thryduulf 18:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More images

The toolserver report at [1] shows you have uploaded some 28 images that are not tagged correctly. The "permission" you mention from the fan site is bogus, as that person is not the copyright owner and doesn't have any rights to give out that way. However, the images appear to be tv screenshots, and so our tag {{tv-screenshot}} seems appropriate. Please add that tag to all of your Thomas uploads. Thanks for helping! Stan 14:42, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

This has been done. Gonzerelli 04:01, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Victor the old engine

When proposing speedy deletion of an article, please do not overwrite the article with "SPEEDY DELETION". This can be considered vandalism. Please use the {{db}} tag, or the other tags found at WP:CSD. Use these tags only if the article actually fulfils one of the criteria at WP:CSD. Thank you. Sandstein 17:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

In this case, merging the content into the main article would be appropriate (see WP:FICT). You can do this by copy-pasting the content to the appropriate spot in the main article, and then overwriting the content in the original article with a redirect to the main article. Sandstein 17:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. Gonzerelli

[edit] Help with a link on the Thomas page

Hi David,

I've attempted to add a page to [Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends] about "come ride the rails..." but it seems that it must not be an appropriate page, or else the content is sub-par. I tried reading the explanations but I couldn't tell if it was considered valdalism or off topic. Thanks for the input. Alexa411 21:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TTTE - Series 10 problems

Hello, I've seen your addition to the Series 10 talk page, and although I'm sad to admit it Emily does deserve to remain on the page... she's more likely than some of the other characters that have been put on the page... lol.... I believe the trouble with your edits is down to a user named User:ZacheryWanzer who constantly reverts your edits... I have posted a message on his talk page getting him to reply... however, he's adamant on ignoring this.... I still believe the page should be blocked from IP's, reply to me on the TaF - series 10 talk page... it'll be easier... Foxearth 6/6/06

Will go into excruciating detail on the Talk page if and when the next edit/revert comes up. Gonzerelli 13:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Zachary Wanzer is seemingly still ignoring signs that we have both placed before his very eyes stating that the page is unneccessary if he keeps removing all our content, and narrowing it down to one three line paragraph - which is ludicrous... I dunno about you but I feel further measures/action should be taken to keep the page secure, and safe from IP vandals... Foxearth 8/6/06
I'm not familiar with the procedure for this... But I will support this if you set it into action. Gonzerelli 13:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello, Gonzerelli

Hullo, I'm relatively new to the Wikipedia 'editing scene' so I hope you will forgive me if this is in the wrong place. I'm interesting in joining your TtTE editing group, as it is something that interests me, having grown up with. Will also help me learn Wiki editing as I will be writing about something I know a little about!

Regards,

--Oliver Lane 18:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverting Redirects (TTE pages)

Hi Gonzerelli. Look at Mavis the Quarry Diesel and you'll see that it has reappeared again.

We've both re-instated the redirect on this page before now, so I think stronger action is called for. I don't really want these pages deleted, if possible, since there are cases where some of the relevant information has NOT been transferred, and it's useful to refer back for clarification. (In Mavis's case, the BR protoype information is not present in the TV Series article - I don't know whether it has been added recently. Sorry, forgot to look!).)

I'm starting to wonder if the reason for all these un-redirects is because the pages for the Railway Series do not exist for these 'minor characters' yet. All the re-directs for Mavis go to the TV series page, which does not cover the books' aspect. Perhaps if the Railway Series aspects were covered somewhere, this would help reduce the problem?

EdJogg 16:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oliver the Great Western Engine - separate page, or re-direct?

Hi again! Your recent change to Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)#Oliver, to remove the link to Oliver the Great Western Engine seems to be verging on 'edit war' territory! I have no particular problem with your edit, but I think I can see why it is happening.

If you look at the linked page for Oliver, you will see that the article has a lot of text (actually, of little interest to a fan of The Railway Series!  :o)). Hence, there are several users who presumably feel that it is 'the main article', and therefore should be linked-to.

I haven't tackled the link issue, since I think the separate page must be tackled first. WP:THOMAS identified Oliver as a 'Major character', without his own page, but this doesn't seem to have been reflected elsewhere. Even Major characters in The Railway Series - where Oliver and Bill & Ben are the only major (steam engine) characters without a 'Main Article' link - cross-links to Oliver the Great Western Engine, which is primarilly TV Series text.

Hope you can understand my reasoning... EdJogg 09:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment?

Hi, Gonzerelli. Why have you added a comment on my user page which said, "the vast majority of the engines depicted below are not real characters from either series. They appear to be this user's own creations"? Felix Cheng 23:36, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Responded on User's own talk page 4/9/06

[edit] List of Railway Series Books - picture juggle

Hi. Sorry to be a pain, but I'm not convinced that the revised picture layout is an improvement. I haven't gone so far as to revert your change (yet), as I decided to comment here first.

HonestTom's layout effectively 'tabulated' the information without the need for a table, and I thought he had done a good job. Changing the images to left-anchored has removed all the bullet points from the first few lines of information, and has 'undone' the tabulation for these titles - it is no longer possible to scan down the page for a title and immediately see the date/illustrator/story titles.

I'm not sure that there is actually a way round this without simply reverting your changes. Is there really a problem with having all the images on the right?

EdJogg 09:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I didn't realise the bullet points had disappeared, and that's the main reason I'm going to revert my own edit and put all the images back on the right. If it weren't for this particular effect on the layout, I would prefer the "stagger". Gonzerelli 09:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed - the 'stagger' would be a better layout, but I think only if the text were more paragraph-based.

Thinking further about the layout for this article, [is there any way] / [would it be appropriate] to provide more space between the book entries? It would be an easy matter to add an extra blank line before each title, and/or underline the titles, but I'm not sure that either is approved layout.

EdJogg 11:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Thomas

Hi Gonzerelli. Have I been a valuable, fellow member of WikiProject Thomas? Felix Cheng 23:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletions on Thomas the Tank Engine articles

None of the articles you've tagged qualify for speedy deletion, and so I've removed them. In their place, I've added {{subst:mergeto|People and animals (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)}}. If you see any more articles, I suggest you do the same. Thanks! -- Merope Talk 20:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Railway Series books images

The images look nice. I guess it is better to have all of the books on one page rather than having them seperately, instead of cluttering up the main space. Also, a lot of images on the list of railway characters did not have copyright tags. I recently added tags to some that didn't have these, however, I think we should find some better images to add to the articles (ones with the 4:3 or 16:9 ratio) to make them look like they came from the TV. With that said, I am glad to be back, and you will definitely find me contributing on a regular basis. --Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 18:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas TV Character Pages

Hi. Thanks for removing all that superfluous 'colour' information, etc. I had considered doing so myself, but didn't have time yesterday, and I suspected you might in due course anyway... "Great minds think alike" :o)

Had you planned to do the same on Rolling stock (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)? The same issues exist there.

Cheers -- EdJogg 08:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What makes a hero?

Hiya.

Noticed you'd removed Duck from Category:Fictional heroes. (Not a problem, I didn't add that cat.!) Had you noticed that Percy and Thomas are also listed?

This set me wondering. What classifies a character as a hero? If it is a case of Hero vs Villain, then virtually all of the engines qualify as 'heroes'. Alternatively, if the character has performed some 'superhuman feat' (is that possible for a steam engine? :o) ), maybe that is qualification enough. In which case, we must list Duck (preventing runaway trucks crashing, ends up in barber's shop), Edward (catches James when he runs driverless down line), Henry ("Super Rescue"), Duke (when he prevents Falcon/Stuart from crashing down an embankment), Rheneas and Edward (continuing after major motion failure), Lord Harry (rescuing injured mountaineer on Culdee Fell), etc, etc. These are just some examples from memory -- I'm sure there are many more.

Writing this has made me realise that The Railway Stories article makes no (apparent) mention of the moral tone of the books, yet these examples clearly show the characters going 'beyond the call of duty', and might be appropriate to highlight in such a section. (I'm not the person to write it, neither, as I've always been hopeless at literary character analysis!)

Any thoughts?

EdJogg 12:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

My thought on this is that, while the stories (both TV and books) are packed full of protagonsists, and the occasional antagonsit, to place characters in the high position of "hero/heroine" is a sweeping statement, which isn't entirely accurate. Indeed, the engines are by and large represented as being "only human" (not the best phrase, but the meaning is clear), having occasional acts of bravery, but at the same time not being "above" the other engines because of this.
The only exception is Duke, who is specifically referred to (in the TV Series) as a hero.
I'm not arguing that the characters have not made acts of heroism, but it is far from the most correct term to use for the characters.
Gonzerelli 13:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas the Tank Engine Cameos

I thought the appearance of an engine/other vehicle/would count whether it was from the front, rear or side view as long as they appeared on screen. Conquistador2k6 6th December 2006 10:08 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect Information about TTTE

While TTTE is obviously Brittish it has only been re-narrated in Seasons 1&2. Season 3 on has been narrated seperatley but at the same time by the narrators so please stop trying to shove incorrect info down our throats. It's just plain rude. Shadow-sama 14:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

(As replied on User's talk page)
Hi there,
Despite your rude attitude on my Talk Page, I am only too happy to discuss this civilly with you.
The reasons for my reverts were made clear in edit summaries - US/UK us a terminology which should be avoided (except for abbreviations, such as in episode titles in articles). Also, as the series is a British series, not an American one, this needs to be made clear at all points.
While the version to which I reverted was not ideal, it certainly satisfied the above criteria. I have given it a fair bit of thought, and believe the current version (which is in the articles now) is the ideal version. It satisfies the criteria, and I cannot see how it could be mis-leading.
Gonzerelli 04:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas & Friends Series 1 - 10

Hi. Just a heads-up to say that I've applied some minor changes to the intro paragraphs of T&F Seasons 1 - 10. I had spotted a punctuation problem on Series 2 and 4 pages, and I've been waiting for the articles to reach a stable state to apply the changes. I've been watching your recent anti-vandalism work for about a week, and I've finally grabbed my chance! Having seen the spoiler warning on Series 10 page I have added this to the others too.

Just wanted to warn you so that my changes were not reverted by accident next time you're 'on patrol'...

EdJogg 10:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas - Minor Characters - Recent Restore

Hi. You will notice that a recent anon edit has restored a large chunk of Minor characters from Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends – namely, all the engines! I have checked back to a previous version and found that at least one line was omitted from the restore (since corrected). Could you have a look too to see that no other changes have been added/removed by accident. (How did we miss this????) -- EdJogg 00:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] WP:THOMAS FAQ

Hi. I think you may have had a 'senior moment' while creating Wikipedia:WikiProject Thomas/FAQ. Have a look at the 'Structural change' paragraph and see if you can remember what you were going to say... :o)

Incidentally, you reverted the edit about Mavis being a BR Class 04. In her case this information is present on her book character entry, so is that a project policy? Ie, "TV Series characters were based on book characters which were based on specific prototypes." I don't have a big problem with that, if that's what we're doing, but we would need to make it clear to readers where such prototype information was available. It would lead to consistency problems within the article though, as all the non-book characters would still need their prototype info locally, so there would be a continuing desire by readers to add prototype info to the 'book characters' in order to be 'complete'.

EdJogg 09:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The 'Mavis' edit wasn't mine (this time!!) – I have been known to warn you when I have applied changes that I think might get 'lost'!!.
I haven't yet made a concerted effort to ensure prototype information is applied consistently, only on a few characters, piecemeal... That's a future project, but it's a way down my To-Do list :o)
EdJogg 11:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. Forgot to add the FAQ page to my watchlist, so didn't spot your corrections :o)

You'll see that I have now adjusted the wording slightly. I found the first, and hence most important, paragraph to be rather difficult to follow (not least because you had inadvertently added the page to the category of Thomas project members!!) I hope you'll agree that the revised version adequately conveys what you wanted to say.

The other line I had problems with was that covering heading changes. I'm still not entirely happy with it – it might need to be restructured again, but I'll let you have another go first, if you like!

Any ideas for other FAQs?

EdJogg 10:00, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:THOMAS projcet page overhaul

I have created a side bar to aid navigation in and around the Thomas project to try and improve it. I'd welcome any cooments. Please see the project talk page.

Best,

Mdcollins1984 00:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas group page categorising

Hi. Two queries following your recent revert of my edits to the TV Series character pages.

(1) 'See also' - addition of this heading seemed appropriate, for two reasons:
(i) it provides visible separation between the final character and the Thomas box, and
(ii)it shows up in the Contents box so that readers know to look at the bottom of the page for further information.

I know these are weak arguments, but I didn't add it just for its own sake.

Any thoughts?

(2) 'Category edits' - Before I simply revert your changes, I thought I'd better find out why you had removed the space from before the numbers. I have found before now that just leaving a star (or a space, which is neater) with no further qualification will not guarantee the order that pages appear on the category page. Adding 'space + char' forces the issue, and moves the page to the front of the cat list without the encumbrance of a star. Your changes have resulted in the pages being listed separately under '1' to '5', instead of merely being arranged in that order under ' '.

If there is a technical reason why I should not list the cat like I did, I would very much like to know (as I have used it on many different pages to produce controlled effects).

Listing the pages (visibly) using numbers just looks plain 'odd', so it will need changing somehow.

Thoughts?

EdJogg 12:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New on the Island

Hi.

Is this some fan fiction? I cannot find any evidence for this anywhere. If you agree, should it be redirected to Thomas and Friends video releases, or can it be nominated for deletion? If the latter, how is this done? I get lost trying to work out nominating AfDs...

Thanks, Mdcollins1984 11:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Only relevant page in Google results is the WP page! -- EdJogg 12:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Even if it is real, belongs in Thomas and Friends - Video Releases. Nom'd for deletion, obviously successful since it's now a redlink. Gonzerelli 03:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] WikiProject Rugby League

Hey I've noticed you're a regular on rugby league articles, particulary NRL ones. I need your advice on something I'm thinking of starting up on the project. Many WikiProjects have Article Improvement Drives which have different levels of success. I'm thinking of starting one up for this one too, but instead of voting on an article I would rather strive to improve one NRL club every fortnight and bring it up very close to featured status. Now it seems as though there'd be a lot of work involved, but there are also a lot of club fans out there who'd probably be willing to participate. Basically there are 30 weeks in the NRL season and there are 15 club pages that are not yet featured. I propose that we all have a schedule to work on one new article every second round, in alphabetical order. By the end of the season hopefully we will have 15 near-complete, if not complete articles. My only concern at this stage is the dedication of editors to help out other team pages that they are not interested in. Basically in order to get the support of editors like these, we need a few leaders in the project. If you are willing to dedicate a bit of your time every week into this and if you have any further suggestions, could you let me know at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby league/Article improvement drive? Thanks, --mdmanser 05:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks mate, great to hear there's already support! I don't know a lot about other clubs either, but I've posted a couple of suggestions on how to get around that on the project page. Perhaps if non-Wikipedia user Dragons Army members want to help out on this, that would be great too. I'm looking forward to seeing this thing progress throughout the months and hopefully it'll do very well. --mdmanser 06:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki Project Thomas

Hello, i was just wondering if i could be any help to you on 'Wiki project thomas.' I am a new user, but hope i can be some help, as thomas the tank engine has always been a matter incredibly close to my heart. (litterally when i was 4 years old, i fell on a model of Percy and almost died from my gruesome injuries!)

On a more serious note, i would love to play a part in helping the project.

Regards! Zesty Prospect 19:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Thomas character page mega-edits

All that editing must have taken hours! (The contributions log suggests 4 - 5 hours!)

So much wasted effort...

When you are considering the intermediate edits (I hadn't spotted any worth keeping, but I quickly gave up looking!) note that some of the pictures added by Cgs4151 (talk • contribs) had some VERY suspicious tags, including at least one screen-shot that was tagged as 'his own work'!!

Could you please tackle Non-rail vehicles (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends) too? This has had the same treatment, and appears to have acquired a few non-notables again.

Cheers

EdJogg 12:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Response on user's Talk page
The mega-edits have come about simply because I have not had much time at all to check Wikipedia. I shudder to think what the TV Season pages have turned out like in my absence!
In any case, you're quite right, I've double-checked the "new" images. They were all tagged as "I, the creator of this work, release it to the public domain". Absolute bull of course. Nominated each for deletion.
The only edits worthwhile to Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends) were actually to remove superfluous content. In the end, I conceded that it was better to restore a few slightly over-informative comments for the sake of getting rid of a lot of other crap.
Non-rail vehicles (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends) was easy, reverting back to my own last edit (at the start of this month!) took care of that with no problems.
Thanks again for your vigilance!
Gonzerelli 10:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
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