User talk:Goldoni

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[edit] Thomas John Barnardo

I noticed you changed this article to say that Barnardo's father was Jewish instead of Spanish. Do you have a source for this information? I'd also like to remind you to use edit summaries when making changes; it helps other editors to know why you're making a particular change. Thanks! Powers 01:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I have over the years put together a couple of web sites, both regarding past homes that I was in care. I then found I needed to cover a little of Dr Barnardo as on some web site his name was being linked to Jack the Ripper and that he was Jewish. This started me researching Dr Thomas Barnardo. I was given permission to use any copy from Gillian Wagner’s Book Barnardo, which is a very good book about the life and times of Thomas Barnardo. If you look at Dr Barnardo I have used most of the information from Gillian Wagner’s book. The area Thomas’ father lived in Dublin, his chosen profession and lastly his name all point to his father being of Jewish origin. One fact he is not of Spanish origin, as Mrs Barnardo would have us believe from Memoirs of the late Dr Barnardo compiled by Mrs. B and James Marchant.

Hope this explains my point. Please excuse the reply, as I was unable to find a way of replying directly to you. If you have any further questions or corrections please don’t hesitate to contact me.

--Goldoni 21:34, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. Replying here is fine, as would be replying on my own talk page. Anyway, if you take a look at WP:Citing Sources, WP:Reliable Sources, and WP:Verifiability, you'll see that it's best to put sources for information -- particularly potentially disputed information, such as the nationality of Barnardo's father -- into the article itself. Most likely, this would take the form of a footnote (the format for which you can find at WP:Footnotes) that explains the source for the idea that his father was Jewish, and that it may be disputed. Powers 17:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. While it is all to easy to criticise a person who has taken the time to add content, but it would seem the writer did not quite understand what he/she was writing in parts, example they wrote Lord Dairns when it should have read Lord Cairns, yes it could have been a typo.

One other matter I can find no reference to Thomas Barnardo going to Paris to study medicine. He did go to Paris in 1867 for the Paris Exhibition, but this was to sell Bibles and take a break from his medical studies.

  • Page 68 ‘Barnardo’ Gillian Wagner
  • Page 33 ‘Memoirs of the late Dr Barnardo’ Mrs Barnardo and James Marchant

With this information how would you amend the text on site?? As I don’t want to mess with an article that is mostly right, but there are a few more places that need to be changed to show the correct information.

I did amend the text re religion as until the late 60s we only had one religion within Dr Barnardo's that of the Protestant teaching.

Goldoni 20:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Change the text how you see fit. I don't have access to your references, and the whole point of Wikipedia is to allow knowledgable editors to make what changes are needed. Powers 01:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
The original text leans heavily on the Encyclopaedia Britannica 1911 article (enough to make it appropriate to add the 1911 tag), which states he was Spanish. Of course, 1911 is not always right, and it's possible he was a Spanish Jew. It's also possible he suppressed the second part due to then-current prejudice. But that's purest speculation; if true, it would warrant a mention. Does Wagner's book merely speculate on the basis of his known origins?
The 1865 date of the cholera epidemic and 1867 opening date were also from the EB1911, but the references are ambiguous; the epidemic started in 1865 before he arrived in 1866, and he opened a school in 1867 (worth mentioning in the article?). "Dairns" comes from an ink smudge that fooled the OCR. David Brooks 16:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
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