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Archive 1: March 2004 to September 2004

Contents 1 Old Subway Chat 2 Metro station stub notice 3 B5 4 Metro station tables 5 Traingle -> Triangle 6 Italians "disambiguation" 7 Copyvio procedure 8 IMS table 9 Edit summary field 10 Oceanic from Faedra 11 Congress 12 Dashes 13 Ordering Succession Tables 14 Next time... 15 II, III 16 US Congressional Delegations by state articles 17 Good compromise 18 EasyTimeline 19 Info 20 Joschka Fischer 21 Why did u rmv the link to the Paris Hilton porn tape? 22 66.117.217.78 23 Will Rogers 24 Will Rogers, Redux 25 Congressmen Everywhere 26 Congressional Atlas 27 Sep11 28 BR 29 Edit link 30 Mutual friends 31 Edgar Cayce on karma 32 Thanks!! 33 Admin Nomination 34 Context 35 beta Systemic Bias section 36 "Again."

[edit] Old Subway Chat

Oh, don't worry about doing things wrong. I'd agree, there needs to be some kind of standardization for the metro stops. I have no idea if Metro Center was the right title, or if it should be moved to Metro Center Washington Metro Station. Personally, I'd say that each station name is unique enough to not need the "Washington Metro Station"--perhaps those could become redirects. Anyway, I won't be able to give the same level of detail on every station, but Metro Center is like the back of my hand--not only can I navigate it in my sleep, I frequently do (work sucks). I'd say that any standard format needs to include:

• name
• line
• date of opening
• number of people that go through the gates there daily, if we can get it
• exits

Perhaps this could be presented in some sort of table format? I'm no good with MediaWiki, the system we use for standardized messages--but I'm sure it'll get worked out.

Yours, Meelar 03:19, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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Looking at other Metro systems, they don't appear to have articles for each individual station, so we're forging new ground. I'd say go with [[station name]], on the grounds that it's less complicated. Keep in touch, Meelar 03:24, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

P.S. You ought to create a user page, so as to facilitate navigation to your talk page. Just a suggestion, though--there's plenty of people who don't have them.

Yeah, I was just about to click my name to make a page when I saw the You have new messages link appear. Still getting used to this. :)

I know what you mean; I started riding the Metro to school when I was 13, up til when I graduated from GWU at 20. (Any surprise that my first station entry was Foggy Bottom?) I can navigate it in my sleep, but so many station names have changed in the last 4 years that I need a map to figure out what's what now. :P

Yeah, not every station will get the same amount of detail - what can we say for Vienna? "It's in the middle of the Interstate"? But it's still worth what information we can put.

I'll take a look at a table format, and we should definitely include a list of notable nearby places. I'll look at the WikiProject and see what I can do.

Other Metro systems don't have articles for every individual station except for the London Underground, and that was my inspiration for portions of my formatting. Like they have names like Acton Town tube station. Then again, the British tube names are a lot less unique. Charing Cross will have multiple entries, as will Picadilly, etc.

You're problably right; there's very few stations that actually need 'Washington Metro Station' after them in the name, and they can be disambiguated somehow. Capitol Heights, Vienna, Rockville, etc... but things like Capitol South, Metro Center and Tenleytown-AU are pretty unique. --Golbez 04:03, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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From the talk page on Wikipedia:WikiProject Station:

This looks good. I'll look over my contributions thus far to follow this. Unfortunately, I don't know the table markup, but I'll do what I can. --Meelar 05:34, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Smithsonian (Washington Metro) seems the better choice, you're right. Meelar 05:59, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Metro station stub notice

Golbez: I agree, it might seem like little more could be written on a metro station. In fact, there's little I can think of off the top of my head right now to embellish it with. But I've also learned from my experiences on the Internet and on Wikipedia that folks can write voluminously on the most arcane topics -- even ones I never would have expected could be anything more than 1-line statements. The stub notice is a way of advertising "Hey, if you've got anything else to say about this, fire away!", and so I think it's appropriate in the case of all short articles. -- Seth Ilys 19:55, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] B5

Golbez: I decided to start importing my B5 content into Wikipedia, rather than waiting around for a separate (and less viable) project. I've already created pages for every episode. Expect the B5 activity to show up under "Things I'm Working On" later today. :) -- Seth Ilys 20:08, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Metro station tables

I shrank the table because it was overlapping the hot links, which I keep on the right side of the screen. It should probably be at about a width of 500 for every page. RickK | Talk 04:01, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Traingle -> Triangle

I'm a new user here, and really wanted a chance to see how the 'move page' button worked. It left a redirect behind; perhaps you could get rid of this, since I also changed the Metro redirect to it. Gadfium 04:11, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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Go to the MLS page click on the DC United link under teams it is a different link than the one under championship games there is a differenc in spacing in DC or the periods there are actually two seperate mirror pages for DC united I am just trying to combine all the dc united pages

Since you don't have a user, I can't respond to you directly, but you're going about it the wrong way. You are failing; what you're doing is creating a redirect that leads to itself. There is only one D. C. United page; if another page links to "DC United" or whatever, then either make that a redirect, or change the link. Or maybe I don't understand what you mean? --Golbez 22:39, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Italians "disambiguation"

Some of those disambiguations Italians -> Italians are wrong. In many pages, the ethnic group is meant, not the immediate country of origin. --Shallot 06:47, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The common solution to the situation when only some of the links can be actually disambiguated is not to misdirect links. Instead, they are either left as is until a new page is written, or pointed to the inexistent page (thus inviting its creation). --Shallot 07:04, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You are right that several ethnic groups don't have it, and the correlation between them and their old nation states is indicative. But when they're an autochtonous minority outside their nation state, they could/should eventually get a separate page so it's probably a good idea to link in that direction. Thanks. --Shallot

[edit] Copyvio procedure

Hi. I saw your question about copyvio procedure on Wikipedia:Copyright problems. When a copyright violation is found do not edit the exiting article but if you want to create a substitute to replace it after deletion you can create Article name/Temp (with the "/Temp" after the name). - Tεxτurε 15:37, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] IMS table

The additions look great. I just removed the thumb border around the photo; I think it works better inside the table without it. Thanks.

Rdikeman 21:17, May 23, 2004 (UTC)

I like listing the races (should the heading be "Current races"?). It's certainly not a problem to distinguish the important ones at IMS, with which I am more familiar, though I can see it would be harder for other venues. I learn a lot more about a track I don't know well -- like Atlanta -- if they are there.

Ownership and capacity may be important to some people; I think they belong there, too.

Rdikeman 12:31, May 24, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summary field

Hi! Just some advise from a co-wikipedian with common interests: it would be super-nice if everybody took a couple of seconds to fill in the summary field after editing articles (e.g. fixing typos -- in fact, especially then), so all the watchlist users didn't have to check the diff to find out what has changed. Saves us all a little annoyance and some time. No need for a doctoral thesis in the summary, just some short abbrevs will do, like "typo" etc. --Wernher 12:12, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I replied to your response (thanks, BTW) at my talk page; feel free to drop by. --Wernher 16:53, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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Thanks for reverting that vandal on my talk page. Best, [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 21:57, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

No problem, that really irked me. I knew it was bad before clicking it, just in the general spirit of the comment. Now I'm just waiting for him to come here. :P --Golbez 22:06, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Oceanic from Faedra

Re: Oceanic: Is this a copyright violation; No!.

..poss. a typo, please note change of reference data. I drew upon several other sources to compile the current edit several years ago and can therefore only mention those books I recall. Faedra Enjoy!, and thanks.

Cheers, I allways have problems naming pages!, as long as somebody reads it!- have added a bit to Foula in relation, and general. The first I knew anything about it was as an intersting story my grandfather told me, reported to him by his uncle then researching our family history (about 1920), but the Professors family are not imediate cousins.

No probs. I am just adding little tidbits here and there, and i stopped at 1900, so there is plenty for you to do too. :-) Danny 00:50, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I did dates and some additional stuff from Clement Clay to 1900. I will continue tomorrow evening, if you don't get to it first. Danny 01:01, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Congress

I can't remember whether I got the data from Political Graveyard or from reference works at the UNC library. Political Graveyard has a number of minor errors, I've found, so it'd be valuable to cross reference with another source, anyhow.

I thought I had explained the *s; those are the sessions in which all members were elected at large, rather than from districts. I'll fix that on the page. -- Seth Ilys 00:51, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Dashes

Yes, but I just find double hyphens to be very ugly and I see no reason to let them stay for however long it might take for them to be auto converted, which for all I know could be a year or two or never. Everyking 18:49, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I'm well aware, but that's undoing my work, what I'd consider a destructive edit. What on earth is the point? It only affects the edit screen, but the edit screen should still be an accurate representation of what the page actually looks like. Everyking 16:41, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Day/month/year date format has nothing to do with anything. Obviously one wouldn't add a comma where it isn't appropriate, but I'd add them where they're supposed to be, assuming I'm already editing the article for some other reason and just want to tidy it up by adding the commas. Everyking 18:30, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Ordering Succession Tables

With British personages, we've always put it in chronological order. There are separate boxes dealing with PMs and Presidents, so it's not as though this will become especially confusing. The problem with doing it in order of importance is that, after president, it becomes hard to say which is the most important. Presumably VP is more important than anything else. But what if someone was, say, Secretary of State and Chief Justice (e.g. John Marshall)? Both positions are pretty important...so which comes first? Just doing it chronologically seems simpler. With categories, on the other hand, I'd suggest they be listed in some sort of defined order based on importance (perhaps using the United States order of precedence as a model. That way, we can have both. I'd add that we should always include the dates for these tables, no matter how we choose to do it - otherwise it can be very confusing. john k 11:55, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

See my note on John Kenney's talk page. jengod

[edit] Next time...

• The next time you feel like leaving an unwarranted and totally inaccurate personal attack, at least show a touch of class and leave it on my talk page. - Lucky 6.9 04:43, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Here's a copy of the answer I left on my page: Thank you for answering. First of all, politics had nothing to do with my vote and non-notability had everything to do with it. If you or anyone else can expand this article with verifiable information, I would be more than happy to change my vote. The cutesy "hawt Azn chick" line didn't really help, either. Please feel free to disagree with me, but please do it on this page. Again, thanks. - Lucky 6.9 05:02, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I leave this exchange here because Lucky and I made up and are now Wikibuds. ... Or something along those lines. But I'm happy he's back!

[edit] II, III

I don't think there's an entry in the naming conventions for this, so which is the proper format for a name with a II, III, etc, that isn't a royal name? Article in question is John H. Bankhead, II. Should it be with or without the comma? I note that "with" comma takes up the bulk of redirects to Bill Gates, but the article itself mentions him as William Henry Gates III, no comma. Any suggestions? --Golbez 02:38, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The more common practice is not to use commas before II, III, etc. (unlike Jr. or Sr. where it's the other way around), so I would use John Smith III (but John Smith, Jr.). A redirect from the other version is always useful, of course. Gzornenplatz 03:23, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Golbez. I moved this from the village pump in case you hadn't seen the reply yet. Angela. 18:40, Jul 30, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] US Congressional Delegations by state articles

Hi there, I noticed you've been doing some great work developing these. Right now, there is a redundancy, however, with all the lists of Senators by state. Does anyone have any plans to delete or redirect these? Because we can cross-categorize the congressional delegations articles under both Senators and Representatives by state categories, those can now serve the functions that separate articles would as far as navigability and classification. One further thing that does need to be done with the congressional delegations articles though is alphabetizing them so they are properly organized in the categories. Thanks! Postdlf 04:59, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Good compromise

Good compromise on September 11, 2001 attacks. - Tεxτurε 18:27, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] EasyTimeline

EasyTimeline is back now. Cheers, Erik Zachte 16:43, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Oh I see, you already knew :)

Thanks for the notice anyway. :) Neat little program, that. I'll have to see what other applications I can find for it. --Golbez 16:49, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Info

Are you getting your info from any specific place? I just got mine from NOAA. The whole change like that insinuates that I'm a liar. Mike H 17:31, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)

The NHC, which may have different info from NOAA, but I trust more. NOAA probably filters the NHC advisories for better public consumption; check http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/. I'm not insinuating anything at all, but the information is probably identical (70 miles SSW of Ft Myers is probably close to 240 miles SSW of Orlando), though I don't know why the speeds would be different. The NHC advisory also didn't mention possible strengthening to cat 4. However, I will change "late" to afternoon. I was in the middle of writing the article and got an edit conflict with numbers I didn't recognize, but mine matched the NHC, so I decided to go with mine. What URL did you get your number sfrom? One error I made though, the storm IS moving NNE instead of North as I put.

I did not mean to imply at all that you were a liar, the numbers were just unfamiliar to me. I figured the NHC should be the primary source for such numbers, unless they've changed since the last advisory. --Golbez 17:38, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Joschka Fischer

Hi, the German constitution says it is illegal to start a war aggression. There were some suits against Fischer (and Schröder) because of the Kosovo war, but as far as I know, they either were not accepted by the courts or the German participation in the Kosovo war was ruled as unconstitutional because it wasn't war aggression. But it is a widely spread issue in the German peace movement, so protests against the German participation and especially against red/green and Fischer pushing this should be mentioned in the Joschka Fischer article. I think the form you found is more NPOV than the previous edit, but may be seen different by others. -- till we ☼☽ | Talk 21:11, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The former version (before the prev edit and your edit) was also NPOV, but it is true that Fischer justified (and still justifies) the German engagement in the war with an Auschwitz reference, so the new version has more information. -- till we ☼☽ | Talk 21:16, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Why did u rmv the link to the Paris Hilton porn tape?

i wrote a warning next to the link. pls put it back

If someone wants to find it, they can google it. Wikipedia is not a link repository, nor is it a direct link to porn. --Golbez 01:04, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

if i insert a indircet link to this video it would be okay?

I would doubt it. If I don't delete it, I'm sure someone else would. Again, if people want to find it, they have google. There is no reason for that video to be on Wikipedia. --Golbez 01:08, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] 66.117.217.78

I've just written up an RFC for this user; see Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/66.117.217.78. -- Grunt (talk) 19:25, 2004 Aug 23 (UTC)

[edit] Will Rogers

FYI--When making the William Rogers (disambiguation) page, I found Will Rogers, Jr. listed on your page of congressmen from California when the official bioguide site says he represented Oklahoma and there doesn't appear to be a similar delegation page for the Sooner State. I didn't change anything because I do not know myself. I've posted a note on the delegation discussion page as well.

I also noted you liked to put in the "preceded/succeded by" boxes. So do I. I've gone through and listed them for every associate justice of the Supreme Court. See John McLean for an article I wrote and one of my boxes. Ave!

PedanticallySpeaking 19:52, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

I've responded on your user page. --Golbez 20:04, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Will Rogers, Redux

Thanks for the clarification regarding Will Rogers, Jr. I did have William Vann Rogers, Jr., on my disambiguation page. Didn't click with me that could be Will Rogers Jr. So far I've got about a dozen people on my William Rogers disambiguation page. Now I'm working on a John Clarke (disambiguation) page. One was on the Supreme Court John Hessin Clarke, which is how I came to the subject.

I can imagine the Illinois congressional delegation would be a bear; it's been a very populous state for a very long time--I imagine they, New York, Pennsylvania and my state of Ohio would have the most total congressmen. Good luck with the rest of the delegations. Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 20:15, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Congressmen Everywhere

I checked my "Congressional Directory" for the table listing how many members of Congress (House and Senate both) each state has had and, as of October 2001, these are the leaders:

1. New York, 1454 2. Pennsylvania, 1042 3. Ohio, 669 4. Illinois, 479 5. Massachusetts, 431 6. Virginia, 430 7. New Jersey, 358 8. Missouri, 332

What are you working from in compiling these lists? The on-line Bioguide? The several volumes of the atlas of Congressional districts?

Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 14:15, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Congressional Atlas

Kenneth C. Martis edited a big fat atlas charting the Congressional districts of every state from their admission to 1983. It lists every congressman by district and their tenure. Here's the record copied from the Library of Congress catalog:

Martis, Kenneth C. The historical atlas of United States Congressional districts, 1789-1983 / author and editor, Kenneth C. Martis ; cartographer and assistant editor, Ruth Anderson Rowles ; compilation draftsmen, David Durham, Brian Raber, Thomas Kokernak ; research assistants, Rowland Dent ... [et al.]. New York : Free Press ; London : Collier Macmillan, c1982. 1 atlas (xiii, 302 p.) : maps (some col.) ; 35 x 47 cm.

ISBN: 0029201705

If your library does not have it, you might try to request it through inter-library loan. You might have some trouble because most libraries would class it as a non-circulating reference book, but it's worth a try.

I don't know if you're interested in the CSA congress, but Martis also did a similiar book on it.

Ave atque vale!PedanticallySpeaking 15:41, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Sep11

I responded on the talk page. I think that phrasing the sentence a bit differently is better than simply removing it. WhisperToMe 00:00, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. :) --Golbez 01:22, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] BR

What's the advantage of/reason to change <br> into <br /> that I occasionally see on some pages? I know XML requires a closing tag in that fashion, but is that the reason? -- Golbez

Yes. Tags without a closing tag must close themselves with the trailing slash for XML (and thus XHTML) conformance. -- Cyrius|✎ 14:33, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It's not necessary here, MediaWiki automatically puts it there if it isn't there already. Goplat 15:10, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Some us have a lot of occasion (outside wiki-land) to hand-write XML (including XHTML). Someone (including me) might be editing for other purposes and change <br> to <br /> almost by reflex. -- Jmabel 21:26, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Golbez. I've moved the above discussion here as it was time to clean the Village pump. Angela. 14:33, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

I saw you wondering why some edit links in templates were removed. I think the idea with edit links is that they should be placed in templates that are ideally updated quite often.

[edit] Edit link

A template like Template:West Indies should not have to be updated very often, since the information presented is pretty much definite, information about existence of countries and dependencies will probably not change more than a few times a decade. A template that should have an edit link is template:album since that info is constantly updated. —siroχo 06:12, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

I can live with that; However, the same argument could be said about an article that is simply a list of countries. Those still have edit links. And the template would have an edit link still; it would just be simpler to access. But you are correct as well. I won't fight to keep the edit link, as useful as I find it. :) --Golbez 06:14, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Mutual friends

Hey... just bumped into your username. We have some mutual friends... I think I met you once when cov and xtine lived in the compound in Troy. Anywho, this is Shawn, or zazen if you happen to remember the name from my brief forray into #eblana. Like I said, happened to see your name, thought I'd say hello. --Senca 05:45, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Haha, hey, nice to see ya. Yep, same guy. Tell Kris I said happy birthday, I haven't seen him online today. --Golbez 06:09, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Edgar Cayce on karma

Thanks for investigating with the Crisis word and everything. I'm glad I went through the extra effort of writing 危機 . --Jondel 07:29, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!!

Just got your note on my talk page and I wanted to thank you for it. If you really want to see what havoc the B-Movie Bandit has wreaked on us, just go to User:B-Movie Bandit or User talk:B-Movie Bandit. You just gonna love this idiot. - Lucky 6.9 02:36, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Admin Nomination

I'm running for administrator--User:Deb was kind enough to nominate me at my request--and wonder if I could have your vote at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 20:16, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Context

Well, I only added it back in cases where it said neither American politician nor U.S. state. I tend to prefer the former in most cases, actually, but I'm fine with either one. Everyking 20:30, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I see your point, it's not always ideal; for example, there are cases in which it's hard to uncontroversially apply a general descriptive term to a person. But I like it because it starts the reader off with a basic, general description of the person, as opposed to immediately pinning them down to one notable thing. In most cases, I like a first sentence wording that starts off by giving the nationality and occupation (or some general descriptive term for whatever they are known for), then tells whatever specific thing they are most notable for. From an international perspective, John Howard, Gerhard Schroeder and Jacques Chirac all go with that style, while Tony Blair, Vladimir Putin and Hu Jintao don't. Everyking 20:51, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] beta Systemic Bias section

Hi, if you wish to help contribute to a beta version of a Wikipedia page section designed to counter-act Wikipedia's systematic bias, please sign the bottom of this section on the Village pump - Wikipedia:Village_pump#Systemic_bias_in_Wikipedia. If not, no worries.--Xed 03:24, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] "Again."

You jerk :) -- Cyrius|✎ 13:24, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 :D --Golbez 14:52, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)