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[edit] Gollum's betrayal

In the following: In The Lord of the Rings, Gollum reappears searching for the Ring and betrays the Fellowship to a band of Orcs. (This is purely conjectural: Gollum had been following the Fellowship down the River Anduin, but there is no textual indication that the Orc attack near the Falls of Rauros was a result of any betrayal on his part; both Sauron and Saruman had forces on both sides of the river, and Gollum was unlikely to deliver the Ring to forces who would make sure he could never recover it)

I deleted the note. It should be here, not in the article. -- Zoe


I'm going to delete the whole thing -- pure speculation. It doesn't say that Gollum flew in on a B52 either, so maybe we should mention that possibility! ;-) -- Tarquin 09:16 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Gollum the Stalker

Did Gollum follow the Fellowship through Lórien? It seems unlikely. Even if he managed to elude the Elven archers, surely Galadriel would have perceived him with the power of Nenya. Much more likely that he went around.

He did, in fact. In the past he had always strayed around it, but the lure of the Ring was too strong for him, and he entered.

[edit] Action Figure

Is the action figure photo a good illustration for this (and Aragorn, Legolas)? I don't like it too much... Ausir 10:19, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I don't like them very much as well.. even screen captures from the movies might not be a very good idea, many fans has their own versions of the characters in their minds, so the character pages for middle-earth characters should stay moviepictureless IMHO. --Conti|✉ 22:24, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Broken Bridge

It is mentioned in the text that it is unknown how Gollum crossed the chasm after the Bridge of Khazad-dŭm was broken. However, we later see that Orks are able to exit Moria, perhaps by means of the large blocks that we saw trolls bringing to bridge another chasm in the same chamber. Gollum most possibly exited Moria the same way. What do you think? --Bill the Greek 07:50, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sméagol picture?

Should we also have a picture of Andy Serkis as Sméagol? Seeing as we are dealing with two characters here, in a fashion.--DooMDrat 06:01, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

-We should also have a picture of Serkis as Gollum as to not confuse poor wikipedians. Hoyohoyogold 06:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Age of Gollum

The article says that Gollum was 33 years old when he got the Ring. Can anybody provide a reference for this claim? I don't see how we could know that. Eric119 20:16, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

As usual, the movie makers decided to fill in some perceived gaps. Unlike Legolas' age this one makes a bit of sense, though. Since 33 is the age a Shire Hobbit becomes officially an adult, and Sméagol "found" the Ring on his birthday — a birthday he got gifts — they evidently decided that this day was Sméagol's 33rd birthday. [1]. However they forgot a) Sméagol was not a Shire Hobbit, but a Stoor, b) we know that the Rhovanion Stoors received, and did not gave gifts on their birthdays (UT, letters, HoMe), and c) the date T.A. 2463 when the Ring was found is an approximate, not a precise date. Ergo, movie info, not book info.

-- Jordi·✆ 00:26, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Took the above out, it was added again. In short, don't use movie websites as a reference for book sections. :-P Uthanc 13:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Time Gollum Spent Searching for the Ring

I'm changing "and he pursued it for many years after he lost it." to "and he pursued it for seventy-six years after he lost it." Because, correct my number if I’m wrong: Bilbo had the Ring for 60 years before he left it to Frodo, Frodo delayed 15 years before setting out on the Quest, the Quest lasted "13 months to the day" (According to the movie version of The Return of the King); that makes 60+15+1=76

There should probably be a note that the Ring's power must have continued to sustain him after he lost it, or he would have died the minute it abandoned him in the cave, being over 500 years old at the time.

[edit] The book ending vs. the movie ending

I felt that the description of the ending was a bit vague. As I had understood the book, the section where Gollum took one last swing at Frodo, on the hillside, was critical because Frodo bound Gollum by the ring to fall into Mount Doom himself if he attacked him again. That Gollum did so only after he got the Ring proved fortuitous, but Gollum was having a hot bath either way the moment he attacked Frodo. The movie went in an entirely different direction, of course, with Frodo fighting back and such, but I felt that the critical point of the book was that the ring's treachery towards Gollum ironically destroyed it, too.

I can post references later, but I don't have the book in front of me just now. I tried to edit it in myself, but it read awkwardly since the current entry doesn't really discuss the differences between the book and the movie through the narrative and I don't want to rewrite it all.

[edit] Multiple pics

There are some duplicate pics in this article; are they really necessary? I mean, maybe we can get another pic of Gollum, as using it twice seems... not smart. Master of Puppets That's hot. 10:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smeagol vs. Gollum

Ignoring the movie, as it is full of innacurate statments. I think that we should split the article in to one for Smeagol and Gollum, where the early history of how "they" got the ring belonging to smeagol, Bilbo getting the ring going to Gollum, the journey with Frodo being split accordingly. It would require some work, but I think it would be better then having one article for both of them. nn False Prophet 15:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Disagree. It should remain one article, but it does need some work. -- Jordi·✆ 15:44, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cognate

the Trah- stem in Trahald and Trâgu is thus a cognate of the Germanic stem present in both Sméagol and Smaug (with a meaning of squeezing through a hole.)

Is this paragraph seriously suggesting that Westron and Germanic share a common ancestor? The Wednesday Island 17:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

What is intended here is that the Westron stem trah- is related to the Germanic stem smug-. As for Westron and Germanic sharing a common ancestor, this was the case at least at one point in Tolkien's ideas: Taliska was supposed to be a proto-Gothic. -- Jordi·✆ 17:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is this right?

  • It is hinted in "The Hobbit" that Gollum had stolen and devoured human infants from unguarded households at times, during the years after his ostracization from his village, but this is never mentioned in Peter Jackson's movie adaptions, merely his admition that orcs taste bad, in "The Return of the King". This was a modification of a passage in "The Hobbit", where Gollum recalls once stumbling upon, smothering and eating an orc (goblin) infant in the tunnels under the Misty Mountains.

At least the orc-eating is right... Uthanc 05:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

why is there not as single picture of gollum as he was potrayed through most of lord of the rings? There is only the pre-gollum pic.

[edit] Easter Egg...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the easter egg (for the MTV Movie Awards) is only available in the Extended Edition of TTT, isn't it?

And what is this line...

"When taking his prize for the MTV Award, Gollum says 'pithat' at the very end."

...Doing in the External links section?

Vicco Lizcano 23:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uldrolic Hobbit?

In the infobox, Gollum's race is described as being an "Uldrolic Hobbit". Okay, what exactly is an Uldrolic Hobbit supposed to be? Not only am I unable to find any mention of such a race of Hobbits in any of the articles here, but I also did a Google search for the word "Uldrolic" and I only got one match: This article. So yeah, I'm beginning to think that someone just made that word up or something. Any second opinions here? –Nahald 07:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I know a bit about Tolkien, and I've never heard that term before either, so I've removed it, since it sounds pretty iffy to me too. If someone knows where "Uldrolic" comes from and can give a citation for it, it can be restored. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 07:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Appearance

Article says "Shelob, an Orc from Lord of the Rings"

Someone needs to correct this: Shelob is NOT an Orc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.211.228.154 (talk) 18:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

I fixed it, although you could have done it too.--CyberGhostface 18:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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