Talk:GNU GRUB

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Contents 1 uninstall 2 stage 1.5 3 Comparison Table Needed 4 GRUB CD DVD USB compatibilities 5 Technical cleanup 6 External links

[edit] uninstall

Could we include a section on removal of grub or setting the options to just if you no longer desire a multiple bootloader with menus? There is an excellent page for linux here: http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p18.htm Brallan 15:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] stage 1.5

what exactly is this for? Plugwash 03:00, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

It is a program which can allow you to install many operating systems and gives you a user friendly menu from which you can choose which OS you want to load up. --82.21.18.117 00:09, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

A comparason with LILO would be nice

[edit] Comparison Table Needed

We need a summary table that compares the most important features of each available boot manager. The traditional ones just manage hard drives. But now we want universal swiss army knives that can fully manage hard drives, CD/DVD drives, and all kinds of USB devices, both booting from any of them and booting to any of them, either automatically or via manual menu selection (regardless of BIOS support).

Any honest comparision needs to include the incredible complexity that is GRUB. I laughed when I read that GRUB was replacing LILO because I've wasted more time trying to make GRUB work (and it works on zero computers around here) than I've ever spent configuring LILO.

[edit] GRUB CD DVD USB compatibilities

What abilities do various versions of GRUB have to boot to/from CD/DVD? What abilities do various versions of GRUB have to boot to/from various USB devices? Examples/links?

[edit] Technical cleanup

Could someone have a go at turning those feature lists into sentences and paragraphs? Even adding full stops would be a good start. Chris Cunningham 18:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Please do not turn these lists into bloat! If you want to add useful commentary, fine, but these lists seem very efficient, clean, and accessible.69.87.199.195 18:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, not a catalogue. Chris Cunningham 19:36, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

WP:EL discourages stacks of resource extlinks. I don't see why this should be suspended here. Chris Cunningham 12:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

m:When should I link externally has some slightly firmer wording. I'm opposed to every two-bit port or HOWTO on the Internet making it into article. Wikipedia is not an OS cookbook nor a software link repository. Please discuss this before reverting. Chris Cunningham 16:37, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

What the hell. There is nothing wrong with links to tutorials on using GRUB.

• Man pages are not enough
• These tutorials are much more helpful for newcomers than anything else online
• The material in them is not covered in the article, either because it hasn't been written yet or because it's too detailed to be in an article

WP:EL#What_should_be_linked_to clearly says that they are appropriate:

1. Sites that contain neutral and accurate material not already in the article. Ideally this content should be integrated into the Wikipedia article, then the link would remain as a reference, but in some cases this is not possible for copyright reasons or because the site has a level of detail which is inappropriate for the Wikipedia article.
2. Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as professional athlete statistics, screen credits, interviews, or online textbooks. — Omegatron 16:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't apply to the links you're adding. Prescriptive articles are not "neutral", nor are instruction websites useful as a source of information like the sources given in number 2. Chris Cunningham 13:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Your objections make no sense (how can a "how-to" website be biased?), and are irrelevant anyway. Please read Wikipedia:External links and Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines#The differences between policies, guidelines, essays, etc.. — Omegatron 14:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I haven't reviewed the links in question, but perhaps if the external links section is too long, they could be put on a page on GRUB's own wiki with a link added to that? —Pengo ^{talk · contribs} 15:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

It's one link. To a tutorial. It's not affecting anything. I don't see why anyone would be so obssessed with removing a helpful link. There are much much much more important things to do. There are many External links sections that are much larger, and completely valid. — Omegatron 15:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Whatever. I'm tired of having lame edit wars about external links. In the time that you've spent reverting tutorial links I've rewritten most of the article so that it isn't unreadable, so I can take lectures about there being "much more important things to do" from other people, thanks. As for the extlinks, I have faith that they'll be removed eventually. Chris Cunningham 07:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)