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[edit] Template jazzing up

I fancied up this template, but some my feel it's a bit much. I won't mind a revert if the reasoning is solid. I think it looks good though. The code could probably be cleaner, but it's what I could make work. Thernlund ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 11:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I am of the opinion that the Glock 30 should be moved from "Subcompact" to "Compact"; it's really only slighly smaller than the 19/23 and much much larger than the 26/27. Feedback? Georgewilliamherbert 23:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Glock lists the 30 as a subcompact. I think their sizing model may be artitrary in some cases. But looking closely at them, the full-sized and compact models accomodate the entire hand. Sub-compact models don't, usually having a mag extension (as does the 30). Count the finger grooves for example. Full-sized and compant models have three. Sub-compacts have two. So I'd say in this case as a matter of consistancy, the 30 is a sub-compact. Thernlund ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 03:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm willing to go with "It's Glock's definition", but the 30 is manifestly not noticably smaller than the 19/23; it's 2mm shorter lengthwise and 6mm less tall. With the magazine finger rest, I could barely feel a difference between my 19 and friends and rental 30s. If you look at http://www.glock.com/english/glock30.htm and http://www.glock.com/english/glock19.htm, the only difference in the grip is that the lower finger groove is on the magazine extension rather than the frame. The 30's heavier and wider than the 19, too. From 20 feet away, you can't tell the difference between a 30 and a 19/23 at a glance, but you can clearly differentiate either from a 26/27.

I don't think that we should arbitrarily override Glock's definition, but their definition here is pretty marketing-speak rather than real/functional/dimensional. Georgewilliamherbert 09:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I agree. I'd go so far as to say that the model classes could just as easily been called "Type 1", "Type 2", and "Type 3". At 20 feet I think anyone would be hard pressed to tell ANY Glock from ANY OTHER Glock. A Glock is a Glock is a Glock. But I must say that they do have consistancy in their modeling. "Sub-compacts" do not accomodate the entire hand. The 30 used without the grip extention on the mag is very different than the 19/23. Thernlund ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 20:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

They don't sell a non-grip-extension 30 magazine that I know of... Georgewilliamherbert 21:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)