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I don't know Wikipedia's policy here, but the factoid about GLOCK in ALL CAPS seems redundant (on the GLOCK page already). Also, someone who has a clue ought to check a few facts on here:

  • "The slide and barrel are QPQ Tenifer? treated, a process that makes their steel as hard as diamond..." (hard to believe)
  • "The GLOCK 17 is the most widespread pistol used in law enforcement..." (True, or just a stereotype?)

I cleaned up this article a lot. Let me know how it works. --Twinxor 21:31, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)


It needed a lot more. It reads like a sales brochure, complete with nonsensical descriptions of "polymer" as a kind of "advanced plastic". Idiotic. I've removed a lot of droidspeak. Let's see if someone can fix it up. --Tony SidawayTalk 01:02, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
"Polymer" is the firearms industry term for plastic, because plastic has a host of negative connotations. And the GLOCK family of pistols is the most commonly issued firearm for US police (links on the main GLOCK page), though I am not sure if the 17, 19, or 22 is the most popular. Honestly, a lot of the stuff you've removed probably best belongs on the main GLOCK page.Attakmint 13:13, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
I've heard that the plastic used in GLOCK frames is a variant of something called Nylon 6. Can anyone confirm this? --BobBQ
It is, its called PA6.6 polyamide 6.6, this type has a grade of moyster, it can also absorb steam, thats why you could damage the grip by store it first in water for a whil and then deep freeze ist.

Cannot affirm the above, but on the GLOCK 17 page, when mentioning the XM9 trials, the first few words are "The excellent GLOCK 17." Note the "excellent" I am removing that word, it seems a little biasing.

I'd like to see the format changed more to something like that of the M1911 page. Box on the side with major stats, etc.

I'm removing Counterstrike from the list of games. It's the Glock 18, it has burst fire mode. --UNHchabo 19:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

According to the wikipedia site for BLACK, it's the G19, not the 17. Anyone confirm one or the other? Honestly, I looked at the screenshots from the game, and the smaller pistol looked more influenced by the Beretta. --UNHchabo 16:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I also think that the claims of Glock pistols' reliability can be put in somewhere. That earlier sentence was an unsubstantiated claim, but we can make it NPOV with a little work. Glocks are popular because of simplicity, reliability, and price. Reliability is the only one of those three that could be considered subjective. As for simplicity, it's the simplest design possible. If there's a round in the chamber, pull the trigger and it'll fire. And for price, take a look at all the other pistol manufacturers. Glocks average $450 new, while Berettas are usually $600+, and Sigs and 1911s are usually at least $800.


Hostile Intent is a mod that is completely different from original Half-Life. It does not use the same weapons, or the same environment as the original game. Therefore my inclusion of this mod is unrelated to the original game, and was not advertising. That I know of, Hostile Intent is the only HL mod that uses the Glock 17. I'm putting it back in. --UNHchabo 21:27, 6 May 2006

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[edit] Merge

Disagree I dont think the GLOCK 17A article shouldnt be merged as it is a different gun and the other variants of the 17 have the own pages (GLOCK 17L).

Agree A slightly different barrel length does not constitute separate gun. Go look at the H&K USP article. They have one model "USP" with all the different variants, this is the same thing. There should be a note about the 17A , why it was created, and new statistics (new gun length and barrel length), they way all the information is in the same place.

I agree with merging. The number of different GLOCK 17 models alone can become overwhelming if each has its own page (GLOCK 17, 17A, 17S, 17PRO, 17T, 17R, 17S, and so on). An example of this effect can be seen in the work this user- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Deon_Steyn - has put into condensing down the number of Beretta pages. Go to the "Beretta" section of his page.

It should also be said, that the Glock pistols are mechanically identical, and the only variations are caliber-specific. This fact should be taken into consideration as well. Roundeyesamurai 05:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Then why should the 17L have its own page ???? (Unsigned)

When did I say that it should? Roundeyesamurai 19:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Agree the 17A article is a stub with a template Cannibalicious! 05:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I merged it. Seems the vote is agree. I agree too. So I "pulled the trigger". Thernlund 19:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Why stop there? The same logic seemed to apply to the 17L so I merged that one too. Thernlund 19:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 11/6/06 revert

I reverted the article for several reasons:

  1. The technical specs had been removed.
  2. Listing all departments in the U.S. that use the Glock 17 take forever. If you have an external link, fine. Put it in. If not, we can't make a list. It would take up more space than the entire rest of the article combined.
  3. The U.S. isn't the only country that has departments that issue the Glock 17. See WP:NPOV#Bias.
  4. We just got rid of all of the "in popular culture" stuff from the firearm articles. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/M1911 in popular culture.

[edit] Glock 17 in Swedish use?

Did the Swedish military have these made under license or Glock supplied the pistols and called them P88s? 70.68.143.168 03:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

They were made by GLOCK. "P88" is merely their internal military designation for the pistol. Roundeyesamurai 08:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

i would like to add some of the P88´s have had to be retrofited with new sights becouse the all-polymer sights wear down becouse of the holster, is this only for the P88 or is it a comon problem with all the Glock 17 models ? might be worth adding this to the article since it affects preformance. --RaDeus 21:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

RaDeus:

The G17 polymer sights do experience accelerated wear when they the pistols are frequently un-holstered and re-holstered. This isn't really a performance issue, since GLOCK offers both steel and polymer sights with the pistols. It's a budget issue. Those organizations that purchase the polymer sights instead of the steel sights, to save a few dollars per pistol, end up needing them replaced after a period of time.

Note that GLOCK provides polymer sights as standard, because most of their customers don't frequently unholster and reholster their pistols, and those that do (particularly in parts of Europe) often utilize GLOCK-made holsters which are designed to not wear down the sights.

If this were described in the article as a "performance issue"- unless worded appropriately- it could give the impression that GLOCK produces inferior components, when this is patently untrue.

Roundeyesamurai 23:09, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History

I just moved GLOCK 17 to Glock 17, per a move request, the discussion of which can be seen at Talk:Glock. This article was a redirect with a non-trivial edit history, so I swapped the histories, and the versions that were previously located at this title can now be found at GLOCK 17. Cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 05:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Single-action

I'm not sure if I would call the Glock pistols "single-action". Single-action implies that the hammer is fully-cocked before firing, and the only action of the trigger is to release the hammer. Instead, Glock pistols, like other striker-fired pistols, requires the trigger to pull the striker back the rest of the way, and to release it. In it's ready-to-fire state, it's kind of half-cocked. As the article stated before, this is kind of a "semi-double-action". It's not DA cause the hammer/striker isn't fully forward, but it's not quite SA either. --UNHchabo 23:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree and made a change. Rough maybe. Check it out. Thernlund (Talk | Contribs) 05:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GLOCK vs. Glock

Discussion on this topic here. As of late there isn't much in the way of variety where the discussion participants are concernd, so I'm posting this as an FYI to those who maybe aren't watching the Glock article. Thernlund (Talk | Contribs) 23:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fractions

Can someone clarify the line "Glock factory threaded barrel, about 1/1" longer than the standard one"? Shouldn't 1/1 be reduced to 1, or is this supposed to be 1.1 inches or something else altogether? Alvis 08:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it's supposed to be "1/2", but I haven't looked up the right figure. My rationale in not changing it is that with it so obviuosly wrong, maybe someone who knows will change it. Or I'll finally get around to looking it up and doing it myself. Basically, I don't want to change it without knowing what to change it to. Thernlund (Talk | Contribs) 15:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The whole list of Glock 17Pro differences is copied from here: http://www.sniperworld.com/books/gear_7.html and it says 1/1" there. In the pictures it looks like 0.5 inches. 88.112.107.97 02:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

The measurement in the sentence, "Glock factory threaded barrel, about 1/1" longer than the standard one" (under Variants heading) makes no sense. I presume the person meant to type 1/2" or something like that? Chris77xyz 05:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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