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[edit] Invitation to WikiProject Bodybuilding

Thanks for the invitation, GIen, but I'm afraid I have to decline. Not enough hours in the day. --LuciferBlack 17:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Re: VandalProof

lol, how stupid of me. Thanks for the notice :) -- Froggydarb croak 11:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Your username

I know your doing nothing wrong, but someone could recognize you as an imposter —Minun SpidermanReview Me 19:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, there appears to be no account registered with that name at the moment, but the uppercase I is the same as lowercase l However, its not much to worry about if you registered the first account, cheers —Minun SpidermanReview Me 09:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Know anything about this?

You seem to be the target of a petty vandal using University of Auckland computers: [1] If you think you know who it is, or can link this to prior vandalism, please contribute to Wikipedia:Abuse reports#University of Auckland vandal ("Loserdick"). --woggly 07:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Logo license removal

I've removed the GFDL information on the two Scientology logos you created and uploaded. According to Jean-Baptiste Soufron, host of Wikimania 2006's copyright forum, your logos constitute derivative works, so you may not license them under the GFDL without the CoS's permission. Furthermore, the derivative nature of the work could confuse your work with the originals, risking trademark infringement.

We can, however, use the actual Scientology logos (via fair use) on the applicable articles. --Davidstrauss 16:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] VP Login Trouble

Glen,

First, I would wish to thank you for approving me to use VandalProof. However, after installing VP and upgrading to 1.2.2, and after being logged in through IE with cookies enabled, VP is not recognizing my log in. Thus, all the buttons remain disabled and I get a page indicating that my login failed. My attempts to resolve this problem myself have been unsuccesful, and thus I would appreciate any assistance you could provide.-- danntm T C 01:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm able to logon now. Thanks so much, especially for your quick response.-- danntm T C 01:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VandalProof

Please can you take me of the approved users for VandalProof. I feel uncomfortable with the stability of the software and it seems to freeze on me when I have upgraded it. --Thorpe | talk 12:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message - I'm sorry to hear about the stability issues, thats such a shame as its an awesome tool! I'm happy to remove you as requested, however may I suggest remaining on the list until you've taken a look at the new VP1.3 and VP2 releases (betas are being tested now, downloads released within the next week or two best guess). I have both versions and they are a HUGE improvement on the original! Just a thought, certainly I will honor your request if you'd prefer sooner (though note being on the list does not open you to any stability issues if you choose not to d/l the program). Thanks again, - Glen 12:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC) PS: If you do get a chance to post your experience/thoughts on the bugs page that would be helpful for future releases too. :)
I think I will try out the next version. As for now I would prefer it if I was removed. Thank you. --Thorpe | talk 12:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VandalProof

Please can you take me of the approved users for VandalProof. I feel uncomfortable with the stability of the software and it seems to freeze on me when I have upgraded it. --Thorpe | talk 12:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message - I'm sorry to hear about the stability issues, thats such a shame as its an awesome tool! I'm happy to remove you as requested, however may I suggest remaining on the list until you've taken a look at the new VP1.3 and VP2 releases (betas are being tested now, downloads released within the next week or two best guess). I have both versions and they are a HUGE improvement on the original! Just a thought, certainly I will honor your request if you'd prefer sooner (though note being on the list does not open you to any stability issues if you choose not to d/l the program). Thanks again, - Glen 12:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC) PS: If you do get a chance to post your experience/thoughts on the bugs page that would be helpful for future releases too. :)
I think I will try out the next version. As for now I would prefer it if I was removed. Thank you. --Thorpe | talk 12:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal Proof Assistance

Whenever I try to use Vandal Proof I'm taken to the error page stating I'm not logged in or my user name was not accepted. I saw I was on the approved list, by ou, and as requested on the error page I'm coming to you for help. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wildthing61476 (talkcontribs) August 2, 2006.

Exact same thing goes for me. Help would be very much appreciated. Thanks, zappa.jake (talk) 06:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Update for you, I tried what you said, still no dice, getting the same error message. Wildthing61476 18:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The same this happening to me, too. Is something fishy happening? —Blurrzuki t - c 23:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Thank you!

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[edit] VandalProof

You recently approved me for use of VandalProof. However I am having trouble logging in on it. I am using mIRC and would like to chat with you to figure out how to work it. What server is the VandalProof one on? Paul Cyr 03:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] VandalProof

Since I was denied the use of vandalproof, is there an alternative program I can use?--scareslamfist 14:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] thanks

Thanks for taking care of that, I thought I got them all but must have overlooked one. Jtkiefer 17:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Emma Watson vandal

Actually, User:Omicronpersei8 had already reported that one to WP:AIV, and I picked it up from there. Always glad to help though. Best, Gwernol 05:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Daniel.Bryant's RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA! I withdrew at (2/7/2) because I realised that I made a misjudged action by accepting the nomination so soon after a couple of edits which I whole-heartedly regret. I invite you to take the opportunity to read an explanation I gave for those diffs. In no way am I defending my actions, as I now realise they were wrong, but I still feel that if you understand the reasons I have given both with my withdrawal statement, as well as my RfA talk page, we may be able to travel the path of understanding. Daniel.Bryant
Nice :) - Glen 08:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC) (PS; you do remember I voted support right! :)
Yes, and I appreciate your support. I really couldn't be stuffed making a support template (and that would have been segregation, which is bad) so you get the generic one :P Daniel.Bryant 09:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: block

I am sorry; I thought you to be an impostor of User:Glen due to the replacement of capital i for lower-case L (which is a common tactic of vandals; see the DoppeIganger for an extreme example). I assume it was your former account, correct? - Mike Rosoft 15:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. No my former user name was Stollery but I changed it as I was growing tired of being called by my Surname (felt like I was in the army!) User:Glen has been taken for many years (though with no edits) however I thought this was easier than requesting usurp. I am aware of WP:U policy re names that could be confused for existing contributors - but as he hadn't contributed I figured they'd be no issues (and double checked with some sysops on IRC to be sure who concurred). Hope that clarifies (just a shame we can delete block logs huh?) Thanks again - Glen 15:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] VandalProof

Thanks, Glen! I was getting a little tired of my RC tool and popups, so now I look forward to vandal-fighting more! east.718 21:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal Proof Assistance

Whenever I try to use Vandal Proof I'm taken to the error page stating I'm not logged in or my user name was not accepted. I saw I was on the approved list, by ou, and as requested on the error page I'm coming to you for help. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wildthing61476 (talkcontribs) August 2, 2006.

Exact same thing goes for me. Help would be very much appreciated. Thanks, zappa.jake (talk) 06:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Update for you, I tried what you said, still no dice, getting the same error message. Wildthing61476 18:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The same this happening to me, too. Is something fishy happening? —Blurrzuki t - c 23:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Thank you!

Image:ResearchStar.gif We've awarded you this PARC research star in recognition for your contribution to research about conflict in Wikipedia. Thank you for your help!!! --Parc wiki researcher 21:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] VandalProof

You recently approved me for use of VandalProof. However I am having trouble logging in on it. I am using mIRC and would like to chat with you to figure out how to work it. What server is the VandalProof one on? Paul Cyr 03:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] VandalProof

Since I was denied the use of vandalproof, is there an alternative program I can use?--scareslamfist 14:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] thanks

Thanks for taking care of that, I thought I got them all but must have overlooked one. Jtkiefer 17:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Emma Watson vandal

Actually, User:Omicronpersei8 had already reported that one to WP:AIV, and I picked it up from there. Always glad to help though. Best, Gwernol 05:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Daniel.Bryant's RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA! I withdrew at (2/7/2) because I realised that I made a misjudged action by accepting the nomination so soon after a couple of edits which I whole-heartedly regret. I invite you to take the opportunity to read an explanation I gave for those diffs. In no way am I defending my actions, as I now realise they were wrong, but I still feel that if you understand the reasons I have given both with my withdrawal statement, as well as my RfA talk page, we may be able to travel the path of understanding. Daniel.Bryant
Nice :) - Glen 08:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC) (PS; you do remember I voted support right! :)
Yes, and I appreciate your support. I really couldn't be stuffed making a support template (and that would have been segregation, which is bad) so you get the generic one :P Daniel.Bryant 09:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: block

I am sorry; I thought you to be an impostor of User:Glen due to the replacement of capital i for lower-case L (which is a common tactic of vandals; see the DoppeIganger for an extreme example). I assume it was your former account, correct? - Mike Rosoft 15:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. No my former user name was Stollery but I changed it as I was growing tired of being called by my Surname (felt like I was in the army!) User:Glen has been taken for many years (though with no edits) however I thought this was easier than requesting usurp. I am aware of WP:U policy re names that could be confused for existing contributors - but as he hadn't contributed I figured they'd be no issues (and double checked with some sysops on IRC to be sure who concurred). Hope that clarifies (just a shame we can delete block logs huh?) Thanks again - Glen 15:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] VandalProof

Thanks, Glen! I was getting a little tired of my RC tool and popups, so now I look forward to vandal-fighting more! east.718 21:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] RfA thanks


[edit] Righty-o

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[edit] My RfC

Glen, thank you for taking the time to comment on my RfC at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Vivaldi. I did not ask you to participate in the the RfC, because I thought it would be readily apparent to anyone that viewed the histories of the articles about Jack Hyles, that Arbustoo (talk contribs) was engaged in a nearly single-handed pursuit to defame the man and his ministry at all costs. I never imagined that so many ignorant fools would think that using the personal blogs of Hyles's enemies to source 90% of the information in an article about Hyles would be acceptable (but I guess these are the same folks that make shows like Jerry Springer popular). I know the man is dead, so WP:BLP doesn't apply, but WP:V is a policy that should always be adhered to. If the same kinds of sources that are used to assault Hyles were allowed in all the articles on Wikipedia, then it would be possible for anybody to just start up a blog and write whatever they wanted and then use that blog as a source to input claims of infidility, sexual impropriety, or even cannibalism.

Obviously there are a number of people that are upset with fundamentalist Christians in America. This is understandable. I have a number of personal disagreements with right-wing fundamentalists too. I despise Bush. I think most preachers are con artists, that are more interested in their own personal fame and wealth than anything else. I am not a Christian.

My only interest in Hyles came because a concerned newbie editor pointed me to Arbustoo's obviously biased edits. I took a good long hard look at them and noticed that nearly every defamatory claim that was made originated with one of three people. The writings used to defame him were the personal blogs and self-published books by these people. These writings should not be acceptable.

The FBI and the police in Hammond both said emphatically on numerous occasions that Hyles and his church were not under investigation for any wrongdoings, however the articles about Hyles, before I came along, made it look like he was cheering on the sidelines while children were being sexually assaulted.

Wikipedia can be so much better than this, and I am happy that you took the time to look into the issue and make your comments.

For an example of the kind of edits that FeloniousMonk is engaged in, take a look at his revert on the Bill Gothard article at [2] He reverted this change where I specifically named the two small groups that were criticising Gothard, and put back in unattributed and unsourced claims linking him to sexual improprieties.

Now I'm starting to ramble, but thanks for participating in Wikipedia and taking the time to defend my positions on my RfC. Vivaldi (talk) 08:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] You're most welcome

Glen: Thank you for the feedback re the talk page on Barbara Schwarz. Also, I am a fan of your own critical work on the scientology cult. Best wishes, Orsini 11:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] stats

Do you mind if I steal your en-Wikicoded version of Icey's stats? He made me a report a few days back, and your method of encoding seemed really sweet. Let me know if you're cool with it :) Cheers! riana_dzastatceER • 15:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that! Argh, now I have to figure out why new topics refuse to wrap around the TOC on my talk-page. Man, I hate script... anyway, thanks for the link, it looks helpful! riana_dzastatceER • 15:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] VP Response

Hey there,

I just wanted to make sure you didn't make a mistake in my application for VP, since I have way more than the necessary 250 posts, [3]. Cheers, --Palffy 19:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

No worries, mate. Thanks =)) --Palffy 20:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] FIDE World Chess Championship 2006

Is that the right official website? It looks to me like the world YOUTH championship. Rocksong 01:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Your comments regarding Mashup (music)

Thank you for your demeaning comments regarding my edit on the Mashup (music) article. While I did make an incorrect edit (I didn't see the "Synonyms" section), I was going to revert it. As it happens, however, I was pounced upon by two overeager editors, who both, incidentally, have been editing for about a quarter of the time I have. In the future, it would be much appreciated if you gave editors a chance to rectify their mistakes before accusing them of "testing" or vandalizing. Believe me, I have no patience for vandals, but what you did was out of line. 24.126.199.129 06:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] WP:RFA

Martinp23 22:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! I have accepted :) - Glen 06:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] The truth

You are sadly mistaken and politically incorrect, no offense and nothing personal. I am only helping to speak and write the whole real truth without any opinions or lies at all. Thank you for your concern, though. I highly appreciate it. Have a nice day. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.174.137.139 (talkcontribs) 03:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure what I am mistaken about - but I am correct in stating that you cannot make POV statements like "the racist extremist supremacist who is the number one D.O.C. who just uses people and controls them" in articles as it breaches policy. Please stop - Glen 03:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] internet slang

i made a contribution to the page of internet slang in the form of the term gIRL. this means Guy in Real Life, and is legitimate internet slang. YOU apparetnly removed it, i would like to know why as it certainly does belong there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.142.134.28 (talkcontribs) 03:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes you apparently didnt read the large "PROVIDE RELIABLE SOURCES FOR ANY ADDITIONS." written about your addition[4] but unfortunately the writer of the comment was 100% correct. Wikipedia policy requires a reliable source for your additon, if you could please locate one I will be happy to add "gIRL" to the page myself. Thanks - Glen 03:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal Proof Assistance

Whenever I try to use Vandal Proof I'm taken to the error page stating I'm not logged in or my user name was not accepted. I saw I was on the approved list, by ou, and as requested on the error page I'm coming to you for help. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wildthing61476 (talkcontribs) August 2, 2006.

Exact same thing goes for me. Help would be very much appreciated. Thanks, zappa.jake (talk) 06:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Update for you, I tried what you said, still no dice, getting the same error message. Wildthing61476 18:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The same this happening to me, too. Is something fishy happening? —Blurrzuki t - c 23:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Thank you!

Image:ResearchStar.gif We've awarded you this PARC research star in recognition for your contribution to research about conflict in Wikipedia. Thank you for your help!!! --Parc wiki researcher 21:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] VandalProof

You recently approved me for use of VandalProof. However I am having trouble logging in on it. I am using mIRC and would like to chat with you to figure out how to work it. What server is the VandalProof one on? Paul Cyr 03:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] VandalProof

Since I was denied the use of vandalproof, is there an alternative program I can use?--scareslamfist 14:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] thanks

Thanks for taking care of that, I thought I got them all but must have overlooked one. Jtkiefer 17:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Emma Watson vandal

Actually, User:Omicronpersei8 had already reported that one to WP:AIV, and I picked it up from there. Always glad to help though. Best, Gwernol 05:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Daniel.Bryant's RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA! I withdrew at (2/7/2) because I realised that I made a misjudged action by accepting the nomination so soon after a couple of edits which I whole-heartedly regret. I invite you to take the opportunity to read an explanation I gave for those diffs. In no way am I defending my actions, as I now realise they were wrong, but I still feel that if you understand the reasons I have given both with my withdrawal statement, as well as my RfA talk page, we may be able to travel the path of understanding. Daniel.Bryant
Nice :) - Glen 08:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC) (PS; you do remember I voted support right! :)
Yes, and I appreciate your support. I really couldn't be stuffed making a support template (and that would have been segregation, which is bad) so you get the generic one :P Daniel.Bryant 09:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: block

I am sorry; I thought you to be an impostor of User:Glen due to the replacement of capital i for lower-case L (which is a common tactic of vandals; see the DoppeIganger for an extreme example). I assume it was your former account, correct? - Mike Rosoft 15:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. No my former user name was Stollery but I changed it as I was growing tired of being called by my Surname (felt like I was in the army!) User:Glen has been taken for many years (though with no edits) however I thought this was easier than requesting usurp. I am aware of WP:U policy re names that could be confused for existing contributors - but as he hadn't contributed I figured they'd be no issues (and double checked with some sysops on IRC to be sure who concurred). Hope that clarifies (just a shame we can delete block logs huh?) Thanks again - Glen 15:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] VandalProof

Thanks, Glen! I was getting a little tired of my RC tool and popups, so now I look forward to vandal-fighting more! east.718 21:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] RfA thanks


[edit] VandalProof

Thanks for allowing me to use VandalProof! However, even though I've downloaded the latest version (1.22), it still displays an error message when I try to sign in. Do I have to use Internet Explorer in order to obtain access? –- kungming·2 | (Talk·Contact) 21:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

It works now! Thank you! –- kungming·2 | (Talk·Contact) 22:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Very addicting, VandalProof is.... Except - is there a way to go "back"? There's no back button. –- kungming·2 | (Talk·Contact) 22:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I don't use IRC -- but I will download 1.3 and 2.0 as soon as they come out! Oh, and I got my first vandalism war wound as a result of using VandalProof - see here. :P –- kungming·2 | (Talk·Contact) 22:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much! –- kungming·2 | (Talk·Contact) 06:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I got VandalProof 1.3 - it's a great improvement over 1.2, but I'm still trying to familiarize myself with all the new features. =) –- kungming·2 | (Talk·Contact) 18:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Righty-o

Aspensti 00:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Welcome!

Welcome!

Hi, and welcome to the Biography WikiProject! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of biographies.

A few features that you might find helpful:

There are a variety of interesting things to do within the project; you're free to participate however much—or little—you like:

  • Starting some new articles? Our article structure tips outlines some things to include.
  • Want to know how good our articles are? The assessment department is working on rating the quality of every biography article in Wikipedia.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask another fellow member, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! plange 06:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] My RfC

Glen, thank you for taking the time to comment on my RfC at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Vivaldi. I did not ask you to participate in the the RfC, because I thought it would be readily apparent to anyone that viewed the histories of the articles about Jack Hyles, that Arbustoo (talk contribs) was engaged in a nearly single-handed pursuit to defame the man and his ministry at all costs. I never imagined that so many ignorant fools would think that using the personal blogs of Hyles's enemies to source 90% of the information in an article about Hyles would be acceptable (but I guess these are the same folks that make shows like Jerry Springer popular). I know the man is dead, so WP:BLP doesn't apply, but WP:V is a policy that should always be adhered to. If the same kinds of sources that are used to assault Hyles were allowed in all the articles on Wikipedia, then it would be possible for anybody to just start up a blog and write whatever they wanted and then use that blog as a source to input claims of infidility, sexual impropriety, or even cannibalism.

Obviously there are a number of people that are upset with fundamentalist Christians in America. This is understandable. I have a number of personal disagreements with right-wing fundamentalists too. I despise Bush. I think most preachers are con artists, that are more interested in their own personal fame and wealth than anything else. I am not a Christian.

My only interest in Hyles came because a concerned newbie editor pointed me to Arbustoo's obviously biased edits. I took a good long hard look at them and noticed that nearly every defamatory claim that was made originated with one of three people. The writings used to defame him were the personal blogs and self-published books by these people. These writings should not be acceptable.

The FBI and the police in Hammond both said emphatically on numerous occasions that Hyles and his church were not under investigation for any wrongdoings, however the articles about Hyles, before I came along, made it look like he was cheering on the sidelines while children were being sexually assaulted.

Wikipedia can be so much better than this, and I am happy that you took the time to look into the issue and make your comments.

For an example of the kind of edits that FeloniousMonk is engaged in, take a look at his revert on the Bill Gothard article at [5] He reverted this change where I specifically named the two small groups that were criticising Gothard, and put back in unattributed and unsourced claims linking him to sexual improprieties.

Now I'm starting to ramble, but thanks for participating in Wikipedia and taking the time to defend my positions on my RfC. Vivaldi (talk) 08:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] You're most welcome

Glen: Thank you for the feedback re the talk page on Barbara Schwarz. Also, I am a fan of your own critical work on the scientology cult. Best wishes, Orsini 11:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] stats

Do you mind if I steal your en-Wikicoded version of Icey's stats? He made me a report a few days back, and your method of encoding seemed really sweet. Let me know if you're cool with it :) Cheers! riana_dzastatceER • 15:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that! Argh, now I have to figure out why new topics refuse to wrap around the TOC on my talk-page. Man, I hate script... anyway, thanks for the link, it looks helpful! riana_dzastatceER • 15:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] VP Response

Hey there,

I just wanted to make sure you didn't make a mistake in my application for VP, since I have way more than the necessary 250 posts, [6]. Cheers, --Palffy 19:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

No worries, mate. Thanks =)) --Palffy 20:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] FIDE World Chess Championship 2006

Is that the right official website? It looks to me like the world YOUTH championship. Rocksong 01:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Your comments regarding Mashup (music)

Thank you for your demeaning comments regarding my edit on the Mashup (music) article. While I did make an incorrect edit (I didn't see the "Synonyms" section), I was going to revert it. As it happens, however, I was pounced upon by two overeager editors, who both, incidentally, have been editing for about a quarter of the time I have. In the future, it would be much appreciated if you gave editors a chance to rectify their mistakes before accusing them of "testing" or vandalizing. Believe me, I have no patience for vandals, but what you did was out of line. 24.126.199.129 06:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] WP:RFA

Martinp23 22:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! I have accepted :) - Glen 06:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] The truth

You are sadly mistaken and politically incorrect, no offense and nothing personal. I am only helping to speak and write the whole real truth without any opinions or lies at all. Thank you for your concern, though. I highly appreciate it. Have a nice day. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.174.137.139 (talkcontribs) 03:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure what I am mistaken about - but I am correct in stating that you cannot make POV statements like "the racist extremist supremacist who is the number one D.O.C. who just uses people and controls them" in articles as it breaches policy. Please stop - Glen 03:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] internet slang

i made a contribution to the page of internet slang in the form of the term gIRL. this means Guy in Real Life, and is legitimate internet slang. YOU apparetnly removed it, i would like to know why as it certainly does belong there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.142.134.28 (talkcontribs) 03:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes you apparently didnt read the large "PROVIDE RELIABLE SOURCES FOR ANY ADDITIONS." written about your addition[7] but unfortunately the writer of the comment was 100% correct. Wikipedia policy requires a reliable source for your additon, if you could please locate one I will be happy to add "gIRL" to the page myself. Thanks - Glen 03:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Thanks for VP

Hello GIen. I just wanted to say thanks for approving me for WP:VP. In my first session, I happened upon a new incarnation of Wikipedia:Long term abuse/The Communism Vandal and was actually able to catch them setting up User:W.I.C. and their talk page, and was able to list them on WP:AIV, where an admin blocked them before they were able to get to deface any articles. Great tool, and I really appreciate being able to help out in protecting the project effectively. --Brian G (Talk) 13:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. It looks like 1 of the 3 files is not downloading correctly. I've got the prefs and the badwords, but the exe is downloading with a size of 0. Can you please check the link and let me know? I can try it out today and tomorrow, after that will be on vacation for a bit and not sure that I will be able to get on anything better than dialup during that time. Thanks --Brian G (Talk) 22:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] RE: Username Change (2019103)

Glen -

Thanks for your message...

Can you help me change my username since I used my e-mail address...

Thanks again.

User ID: 2019103

Better Still - Can you just delete my account and I'll start over...

Please let me know what works best... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Winning edge@cox.net (talkcontribs) 02:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Alright

Sure, there are no hard feelings. Torax2 23:10, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Double voting

Thanks for the heads-up on the RfA double voting; even as I imagine my opinion ought to count doubly :), I really ought to pay better attention. Joe 20:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wangi/RFA

Thanks for your support on my RfA. Give me shout if I can be of help. Thanks/wangi 00:12, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Your RfA

You have my support, mate!--Fahrenheit451 02:07, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] VP permission

Just to say thanks Glen - I try it out over the next few days. Regards -- Nigel (Talk) 07:03, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Jazzy Jay

Thanks--not sure why nobody had made a page for him before, but, then again, hip hop isn't well documented here (yet). I'm just watching him in the documentary "Scratch" and he's got a basement in which he claims are 300-400 thousand LPs! I'll need help so please fill in details if you know them or can find them. Badagnani 00:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hard to say about the founding of Def Jam. One would have to rely on trustworthy sources to get things right. Probably the account I've just added is closest to the truth. Badagnani 00:54, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VP1.3

Hi Glen - don't know if you feel like adding me to the list for 1.3. I've had problems with 1.22 today & it would be a waste of time to "bug report" them under the circumstances. If not - no woories. Cheers --Nigel (Talk) 13:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

thanks Glen - I'd already d/l'ed it and tried it - that's when I looked properly at the page <g>. I know but I have never been one to RTFM!
Good news and the other sort! Waaay faster and seems neat. However at pres I can't get it to load "recent changes". Does the "watch list" one just fine tho. Is there still the "enhanced recent changes" issues? I have switch it off but? Equally I'm using Lupin's recents? I'll keep looking and if you need any more info let me know - cheers --Nigel (Talk) 15:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Forget that - use RSS was checked, unchecking it it works - cheers --Nigel (Talk) 15:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Callaway Cars Incorporated and other engine tuners

Glen, I will admit that my first attempt to make a Callaway Cars Incorporated article is very light on content, but I was hoping to expand on it (or let others expand on it too). Could you have not let it go more than a few minutes (well you did allow it to live for 6 minutes - so I should be grateful) before flagging it with a {{db-a7}}?
--ric_man 13:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Funnily enough I actually took the tag off before reading your message; as you probably know there's so many articles started each day, and so many of them are business effectively wanting free advertising, that it does mean that unless we can see a reasonable acknowledgment of notability of the subject its usually tagged; as more articles are being created every second. But, in saying that, that's exactly what the {{hangon}} tag is for, then nothing is done until we've consulted with you. In case the speedy tag is added again (by someone else) - that's your best option. If you would like a hand in the creation, or if I can assist in any other way just say the word. Thanks for helping us build Wikipedia! - GIen 13:59, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Question about VandalProof

Hi Glen. I noticed that when I tried to download vandalproof for the first time and run the setup.exe I couldn't. Do you know why that is? Thanks. ForestH2 t/c 14:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

The file is on my desktop. It reads vandalproof120. When I click it setup.exe, setup.lst, vandalproof120.cab and support come up. This is where I am confused. ForestH2 t/c 14:23, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Nothing comes up. I click it and nothing comes up...unless I'm waiting to short. Does it take a long time to come up? ForestH2 t/c 14:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Does VandalProof only work on a PC? ForestH2 t/c 14:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Mac......ForestH2 t/c 14:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Vp help!!!

For the last 2 days I have been hitting loads of problems using VP1.22. Everything used to work fine (properly installed and using 1.22 .exe) but yesterday and ytoday it keeps crashing on startup - usually after logging in. If it does load up and log in nothing will work - no updates, no RC now watchlist etc. It will load pages but thats it!! Any ideas? --Errant Tmorton166(Talk)(Review me) 16:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me :D. Heading there now. Cheers --Errant Tmorton166(Talk)(Review me) 16:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Wow looks good. I like the new way of looking at the edits. :D Cheers (works a dream btw!) --Errant Tmorton166(Talk)(Review me) 16:49, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] The Diamond Age

I think I may have found your first non-vandalism revert with VP. Check this out. The interwiki links removed by the IP editor go to entries similar to phyles, not on The Diamond Age. Thought you should know. Wyatt Riot 23:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

No problems at all. Like I said, just thought you should know. :) Wyatt Riot 23:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VP 1.3 ?

Hi, can you add me to the VP 1.3 user list. Or tell me when it will be made available to the current 1.2 users?--1568 18:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!--1568 00:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Creatine and Designer Whey Protein

Some help on these articles would be appreciated. Quadzilla99, seems to have a problem when people change his edits or request sources. He's already complaining on the admin noticeboard. Have a look [8] - any help appreciated. Thanks!Yankees76 14:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] I didn't remove content

I was only trying to make some correct changes, that's all. Shut up and leave me alone.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.174.137.168 (talkcontribs) 22 August, 2006.

Alas, I beg to differ my friend[9] - GIen 16:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] VandalProof login

Hi there; thanks for letting me know that I was approved to use VandalProof. I have successfully downloaded the software, but I am unable to log in to VandalProof, even after logging into my username at Wikipedia. I can't seem to figure out what's wrong, so I'm leaving you this note. Thanks for your help. Heimstern Läufer 16:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

No, still no success, I'm afraid. I'm a bit concerned that my umlaut is giving the system trouble. Anyway, I've tried logging in with as many permutations of my username as I can think of (replacing the space with an underscore, replacing the ä with ä, etc.) and still haven't been able to log in. Heimstern Läufer 17:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, can't ask for any more than that. Meanwhilst, I'll just keep fighting vandals the old-fashioned way. Thanks for your help! Heimstern Läufer 05:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Congradulations

Wikipedia has another good admin!--Fahrenheit451 01:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

not surprised one - fricken - iota! - CrazyRussian talk/email 05:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Australian coat of arms

Great... not only did I get worried about a perfectly fine image, I also messed up the image syntax. Probably enough image cleanup for me for one night. Thanks. Oh, and congratulations per the above. Jkelly 03:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Guinnog's RfA

Thanks for the compliment about Guinnog's RfA. Unfortunately I can't take credit for it - I copied the format that User:Petros471 used when nominating me on my RfA. That was so well received that I thought I'd reuse it for my first nominee. Best, Gwernol 11:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] {{welcomeemail}}

Hi (aeropagitica), like you I try to make an effort to notify users who register with an email addy that it's not a great idea - I use the {{welcomeemail}} template, but I noticed here that you use another that certainly is BOLD! I really like it, do you mind telling me what it's called at all please? Thanks in advance, - GIen 12:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC) (PS, thanks for your support too - official thank you is forthcoming :)

Well done on your successful RfA! My welcome e-mail template was adapted from a message that I saw on another users' page. I took the text from the standard {{welcomeemail}} and placed it within a message box, adding an exclamation mark image for effect. My effort can be found at User:(aeropagitica)/templates/welcomeemail should you want to link/copy-and-adapt for your own welcome salutations. Regards,  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  14:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] User edit problem

A certain user, User:Borisvino has emailed me stating that he can't access Wikipedia - it lists him as blocked. Could you please check if he's been blocked through his IP or some other means? –- kungming·2 | (Talk·Contact) 22:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Shanel

IRC username: Glen_S :) - GIen 05:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA and your vote

Hi Glen,
Thanks for participating in my RFA! Ultimately, no consensus was reached, but I still appreciate the fact that you showed up to add in your two cents. Hopefully I can keep being a first-class editor until the next RFA! You can feel free to talk to me about it or add some advice on my improvement page.


Sincerely, The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me)

August 5, 2006

[edit] Help

Hi - I have received a message saying I have vandalized something on the site and I am shocked as I would never do such a thing. Please can you investigate? All I can think is that my teenage son as used the computer and done it. I would like details of what was done in order to deal with him. Thanks - angie thepop48@aol.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.65 (talkcontribs) August 5, 2006.

[edit] You've got a Thank you card!

[edit] Vicca article contains false information now and bad writing

Joe Beaudoin has added false information to the first two sentences of the article.

Vicca retired from porn movies in 2000. She was, hence, NOT making movies with Nikita Gross until 2002.

In addition, it is highly redundant to use the word "pornographic" as often as poor Joe insists on using it. She was already called a former porn star in the first sentence.

It is not only bad writing for Joe to insist on so many "pornographics," it is weird.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.164.88.92 (talkcontribs) 14 August, 2006.

[edit] Sacred Heart College Geelong

Hi Glen! Thanks a lot for making my article look more official. I'm of course going to expand it, but first I have to decide what to include in it - there's so much to say. I don't know if this is the right way to send a message to you, or if you'll get it like I got yours; I'm new here. But thanks again! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Puma 2023 (talkcontribs) 10:45 21 August, 2005 (UTC).

[edit] Silas entry

I would appreciate it if you would explain to me your reasons for reverting the Silas entry. Thank you.

[edit] Congratulations

A shiny new mop for you! It doesn't fly (yet) but hope you like it!  Cheers -- Samir   धर्म 05:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
A shiny new mop for you! It doesn't fly (yet) but hope you like it! Cheers -- Samir धर्म 05:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

You're now an admin. I promoted the current username, we can worry about changing it later as there is a snafu. See WP:CHU in a minute. Have fun with the new tools to help make the project better. Be conservative with them, especially at first and re-read the relevant policies before taking action. Then as you get comfortable, dig in and help out with the backlogs. Again, congrats! - Taxman Talk 13:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hooray! Shame you just went to bed (or got off IRC, dammit!). Congratulations! :) --james(talk) 13:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Congrats and well done! To be honest I was suprised you werent an admin already. Have fun with those new tools :D --Errant Tmorton166(Talk)(Review me) 13:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I seem to remember AmiDaniel talking about nominating you for adminship months ago. What took so long? -- Steel 13:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Closed at last! Well done - one out of two complete now :) Martinp23 13:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
If you need any help, please ask!  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  14:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Congrats :) Computerjoe's talk 22:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

You're now an admin. Congrats Glen. Take care. Vivaldi (talk) 04:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations on your sysoping! Daniel.Bryant 08:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations! Take care -- Samir धर्म 05:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on your promotion, and you're very welcome! --Merovingian - Talk 06:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Congrats again, and have fun with those shiny new buttons! ;) Sango123 13:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Deville's RfA

Hello, GIen, and thank you for the "fantastic" support on my recent RfA. The final tally was 72/1/0, and I have now been entrusted with the mop. I'll be tentative with the new buttons for a while, and certainly welcome any and all feedback on how I might be able to use them to help the project. All the best, and thanks again! — Deville (Talk) 01:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Now that you are a janitor... WP:CP awaits!

Congradulations on the privilage of doing vastly more tiresomely repetitive work on Wikipedia than you ever dreamed of heretofore! Hark, WP:CP (or whatever it's called today) cries out for your loving, kind touch of deletion en masse... If you want something else to do, or have some questions, feel free to ask... JesseW, the juggling janitor 04:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Nearly forgot

There's a password control for the MasterRollback, the code for that is right at the bottom of the page, you'll either need to edit it or use the same one. --Alf melmac 13:50, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

A shiny new mop for you! It doesn't fly (yet) but hope you like it!  Cheers -- Samir   धर्म 05:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
A shiny new mop for you! It doesn't fly (yet) but hope you like it! Cheers -- Samir धर्म 05:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

You're now an admin. I promoted the current username, we can worry about changing it later as there is a snafu. See WP:CHU in a minute. Have fun with the new tools to help make the project better. Be conservative with them, especially at first and re-read the relevant policies before taking action. Then as you get comfortable, dig in and help out with the backlogs. Again, congrats! - Taxman Talk 13:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hooray! Shame you just went to bed (or got off IRC, dammit!). Congratulations! :) --james(talk) 13:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Congrats and well done! To be honest I was suprised you werent an admin already. Have fun with those new tools :D --Errant Tmorton166(Talk)(Review me) 13:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I seem to remember AmiDaniel talking about nominating you for adminship months ago. What took so long? -- Steel 13:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Closed at last! Well done - one out of two complete now :) Martinp23 13:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
If you need any help, please ask!  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  14:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Congrats :) Computerjoe's talk 22:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

You're now an admin. Congrats Glen. Take care. Vivaldi (talk) 04:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations on your sysoping! Daniel.Bryant 08:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations! Take care -- Samir धर्म 05:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on your promotion, and you're very welcome! --Merovingian - Talk 06:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Congrats again, and have fun with those shiny new buttons! ;) Sango123 13:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Deville's RfA

Hello, GIen, and thank you for the "fantastic" support on my recent RfA. The final tally was 72/1/0, and I have now been entrusted with the mop. I'll be tentative with the new buttons for a while, and certainly welcome any and all feedback on how I might be able to use them to help the project. All the best, and thanks again! — Deville (Talk) 01:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Now that you are a janitor... WP:CP awaits!

Congradulations on the privilage of doing vastly more tiresomely repetitive work on Wikipedia than you ever dreamed of heretofore! Hark, WP:CP (or whatever it's called today) cries out for your loving, kind touch of deletion en masse... If you want something else to do, or have some questions, feel free to ask... JesseW, the juggling janitor 04:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Nearly forgot

There's a password control for the MasterRollback, the code for that is right at the bottom of the page, you'll either need to edit it or use the same one. --Alf melmac 13:50, 25 August 2006 (UTC)