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Contents 1 Rivalry between GLA and EDI 2 Meddled Up 3 Image 4 External links 5 Historical Information 6 US Airways service to SFO in Summer 2006 7 American Airlines Service GLA to/from ORD 8 Reykjavik-Keflavik 9 New International Stands 10 bmi to Jersey

[edit] Rivalry between GLA and EDI

Please note that there is a significant rivalry between the cities of Edinburgh and Glasgow, and aviation fans on the internet have taken this to a new and bitter level.

Please be very suspicious of any blatantly pro- or anti- Edinburgh changes made here. To keep a NPOV, this article should not discuss Edinburgh at all except in passing.

Those who would disparage Glasgow airport in a partisan way often talk up Prestwick airport as an alternative, so much the same applies there.

There is real political debate about the future of Scotland's airports but any statement that airport X will get future investment instead of airport Y, or that airport D is better than airport C because it has B is basically an opinion and does not belong in an encyclopedia page. Please don't let this article turn into (yet another) edinburgh/glasgow bickering ground (see: alt.airports.uk.edinburgh).

I have to say it but I can see this article (and the Edinburgh one) having to be locked at some point in the future now that its existence has been mentioned on alt.airports.uk.edinburgh

[edit] Meddled Up

Somebody has totally messed up this page. All of the information about the airport is meddled into the template information. I just assume it would be a mistak — why leave it?

Sorry, but you've lost me! I added the infobox (or did I convert it from the previous non-template version?) Anyway, I understand the information is correct and if it isn't then please edit it. From where I'm looking there's not much duplicated information either - the infobox is intended as a quick source of info. Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports/infobox and Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports for more information on the standard infoboxes. Wangi 14:35, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi there, I am terribly sorry to confuse you. I think it must have been me and my Internet text size. But from what I could see, all of the atricle text was merged into the InfoBox. And I also saw it on another airport page (I think is was Frankfurt Mahn Airport) but anyway, sorry for the misunderstanding. It is all a-OK :-) 18:37, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image

I've added an image, found on http://www.geograph.co.uk/ with a suitable licence. Wangi 06:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I noticed the snowball effect has started... I have trimmed the external links to just the official site - WP:EL. What do the other links add? Thanks/wangi 15:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Historical Information

Glasgow - and probably other airports - has a rich history of destinations that have been previously served. Right up to date we have the withdrawal of the Southampton service by BA Connect, but previously there is the JFK/BOS service by BA; YYZ by AC; CDG direct by Jersey European (now flyBe.). Going further into the past there is the AirUK service to STN (the AMS service is the legacy service to the now KLM Cityhopper service).

The historical information is as important and the current information and should be moved to an appropriate location when ceases to be current. For example a section on past destinations served could be added.

Pencefn 07:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

A wider discussion probably makes sense: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports#Historical Information /wangi 07:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] US Airways service to SFO in Summer 2006

This is one stop service via PHL (US 563 / US 564) with US Customs/Immigration (and security clearance) taking place. Keeping the same flight number to my mind indicates a through service.

Just checking out the LHR page lists Air New Zealand service Auckland - NZ001/NZ002 are one-stop services with US Customs/Immigration (and security clearance) taking place at LAX. Pencefn 09:04, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

NZ1 is the same aeroplane LHR-LAX and LAX-AKL, with transit passengers not going through the whole normal US procedures (they are kept separate from normal transit passengers). On the otherhand I understand the only thing common GLA-PHL-SFO is the flight number - the two legs use different planes (575 & A321). Current practise is to not list these as direct destinations - for example the same is true for the CO services out of EDI (flight code goes on to MCO) and GLA (LAS I think). For other examples consider the BA flights from EDI and GLA via the "EuroHub" at BHX to European destinations - these are not listed.

Although reading the guidelines at WP:AIRPORTS#Airport article structure says:

List non-stop and direct flights only. That means the flight number, but not always the plane, starts at this airport and continues to one or more airports. Avoid using the description via since that is more correctly listed as another destination. If passengers can not disembark at a stop on a direct flight, then do not list it as a destination or as via. Direct flights are not always non-stop flights. However, avoid listing most domestic United States direct flights, as virtually all of these are simply flights from one "spoke city" to a hub, with the plane continuing from the hub to a second spoke city. Including these flights dramatically increases the length of destination listings, artificially inflates the airline's presence at a location and requires constant updating, as these "timetable direct" destinations have little rhyme or reason and may change as often as every week or two.

Which is different to how I'm remembering things, and different from edits I've noticed a lot of other people making! Thanks/wangi 10:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh dear I have opened a can of worms here. Could the decision factor being whether all the PAX have to leave the aircraft (with possibly an aircraft change). Another thought is that when I flew on BA 4102 from BRS to GLA earlier in the week, the incoming aircraft was from FRA on the same flight number. The luggage of the transit passengers remained on the aircraft whilst they we bussed to the terminal to be processed through International arrivals to landside, through security to join the bus that already had the domestic PAX on-board, to then rejoin the same aircraft with the same crew.

Maybe we should consider thwe decision point when bags are off-loaded from an aircraft, even when they could then be re-loaded back onto the same aircraft.

Food for thought perhaps Pencefn 11:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

There have been similar edits / issue re direct flights from Newark Liberty International Airport this week: [1], Talk:Newark Liberty International Airport#Edmonton?. /wangi 11:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] American Airlines Service GLA to/from ORD

This concludes for the summer season of 2006 on 30 September 2006. This can be verified by referring the American Airlines timetable.

There has been an edit suggesting that it will not return for 2007, however no reference to any official source has been given. If the source of the ceasing of this summer service can be cited, then it can join the list of past destinations (with AC to/from YYZ; SN to/from BRU; BA to/from JFK/BOS; BA to/from SOU; ...etc) as historical information - Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports#Historical Information

Pencefn 11:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

• Found a reference in the on-line Scotsman to the ceasation of GLA-ORD route at the end of the 2006 seaon - now added. The American Airlines site is remarkable quiet on the routes it is dropping, but shouts from the roof-tops when it starts up a new route. Pencefn 12:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reykjavik-Keflavik

I notice that my change of Keflavík to Reykjavík has been reverted. The reason that I chose to change to Reykjavík is that the list is of the cities that the airlines fly to, not the airport. Since there are two airports in Reykjavík (one domestic (Reykjavík Airport, RKV), and one international, (Keflavík International Airport, KEF) it should be specified as Reykjavík-Keflavík in the list (just like Glasgow should be specified as Glasgow-International to distinguish it from Prestwick. I am sorry I was not fully aware of this at the time, I now understand that i should have specified that it was the Keflavík airport in addition to that the route served Reykjavík.

Furthermore it should be noted that Keflavík Airport serves Reykjavík. It is located about 50 km from Reykjavík, wich is well within the limit for what is considered close enough to serve a capital city, see for instance Oslo Airport, Gardermoen or London Stansted Airport where there is no doubt as to which city they serve. This is the way airport destinations are named, both outside and within Wikipedia, whether or not the city name is part of the offical name of the airport, see for instance Leonardo da Vinci International Airport. Both Icelandair and the airport authorities call the destination "Reykjavik", see Glasgow Internationa Airport web site [2] and Icelandair web site [3].

I will change the entry to Reykjavík-Keflavík. Arsenikk 22:09, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

What is the IATA definition of the airport that carries the KEF code? Maybe for consistency in Wikipedia, we shoud use the terminology that Wikipedia itself uses - see Keflavík International Airport. Hence is should be Keflavik. Pencefn 17:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we could use the convention being used in the Buenos Aires airports. Buenos Aires-Ezeiza (EZE) for the international flights, and Buenos Aires-Aeroparque for the domestic flights. The reason marking KEF as merely Keflavik is because people would not know where the international airport for Reykjavik is. Besides, Icelandair itself markets its flights as going to Reykjavik. Reykjavik after all is the most known city in the country. Elektrik Blue 82 19:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

We should be consistent across Wikipedia. If KEF is called Keflavík International Airport on its own page, then either this is how it should be refered on the Glasgow Page, or the Keflavík International Airport entry should be re-titled to reflect this. Pencefn 22:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, the status quo is the best course. After all, the actual name of the airport is Keflavík International Airport, but the ultimate destination (and the city it serves) is Reykjavík. It shouldn't be confusing, as KEF is the international airport of Reykjavík (and of Iceland, I believe, except for a few to Akureyri Airport). --physicq210 22:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

If you go through the list of destinations from Glasgow, you will quickly discover that a lot of airports have a different name than the city they serve. This is because this list on the Glasgow Airport page shows the *city* the airline flies to, not the airport. The airport name is added in addition to those cities that have more than one airport to specify which airport is flown through. This way of describing destinations is used throughout the aviation world, by airlines and airports, like it or not, and is the format used throughout the rest of Wikipedia. See Wikipedia Airport Project for the established standard for airport articles. Arsenikk 22:48, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm repeating my comment from the project page here. Hope it helps. From [4] the name for RKV is 'Reykjavik Domestic' in Reykjavik. KEF maps to 'Keflavik International' in Reykjavik. Vegaswikian 23:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New International Stands

Stands 37, 38 and 39 were brought into use in August 2006 (or was it late July 2006). There are various combinations of aircraft that are permitted. However I can not find a source that details this. I understand it is one B777-300 or B747-400; or a B767-300 with a B757-300; and how many B737 (three?) The CAA (AIP) website does not give the new stands yet - however it took over a year after stands 81 and 82 were opened for the new ramp chart to be published.

Pencefn 14:03, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bmi to Jersey

I can not find any reference in the bmi or Star Alliance timetables to a bmi service to Jersey. A search via expedia.co.uk gives services via BA and flyBe. involving changes enroute. As with services to Venice and Dalaman are these seasonal charters that do not appear on the timetable sold as part of IT packages? A source for this data would be of use. Pencefn 11:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)