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[edit] Names of Lycoming County, Pennsylvania Creek Pages

Hi, thanks for your work on the streams in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania. I have some questions though - I agree we should be consistent with stream naming policy, but I am not able to find such a policy. Could you please direct me to the right place?

Also, it seems as if the general policy is "Stream Name (Geographic Descriptor)" where the Geographic Descriptor is typically a state name. This is presumably why you changed Lycoming Creek, Pennsylvania to Lycoming Creek (Pennsylvania).

I checked on www.topozone.com, and there is only one "Lycoming Creek" in the whole United States (at least on USGS topographic maps). There is also only one Larrys Creek, only one White Deer Hole Creek, and only one Loyalsock Creek, so it seems to me the names for these pages should just be their names (no (Pennsylvania)), i.e. make the name just "Larrys Creek" (so Larrys Creek, Pennsylvania needs to be moved either way). I intend to make articles on the ones that are now just redlinks.

The reason I think we can have names without a geographic descriptor is that Muncy Creek has no geographic descriptor and you did not add "(Pennsylvania)" to it. I checked and there are two other Muncy Creeks (in Nevada and Kentucky). Both are so small on the maps that I doubt anyone would ever do an article on them (and if they did, the current article could always be moved to "Muncy Creek (Pennsylvania)".

Finally, there is Pine Creek. You suggest "Pine Creek (West Branch Susquehanna River Tributary)" instead of "Pine Creek (Pennsylvania)" (my corrected redlink name). While this is accurate, it is very awkward and not where I think most people would look for Pine Creek. I checked on topozone.com and there are 18 Pine Creeks in PA, but all of the others are much smaller and seem unlikely to reach article status (although they may be mentioned in other articles as tributaries). When I Googled "Pine Creek, Pennsylvania", the first several pages (all I checked) were all about the major creek with its mouth in Lycoming County (or the two townships named Pine Creek). Here is my suggestion for the article name: "Pine Creek (Pennsylvania)". This seems to fit the rule and it is the major Pine Creek in Pennsylvania. What do you think? Ruhrfisch 16:49, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I checked the Columbia Gazetteer of North America and it only lists two creeks named "Pine Creek", the one in PA [1] and one in TX, that is only about half as long. It is the longest Pine Creek in North America, so I think "Pine Creek (Pennsylvania)" works. Ruhrfisch 20:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, it's great to see someone else working on these stream entries. I did a lot of work on the NJ list and have been putting off the PA list for a bit.
- I'm not aware of a written policy.
- The norm at this time is that a geographic descriptor following a comma indicates a town, city, etc, while a geographic descriptor in brackets indicates a stream.
- The geographic descriptor is only necessary when there are other streams of the same name listed in Wikipedia.
- List of Pennsylvania rivers lists three Pine Creeks, hence the various geographic descriptors. There is a Pine Creek disambiguation page to help folks find what they are looking for. Gjs238 22:16, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I agree that the "main" Pine Creek page should be Pine Creek (Pennsylvania) Gjs238 00:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the clarification and for starting the Pine Creek (Pennsylvania) article and the disambiguation page for Pine Creek. I started the articles for Loyalsock Creek and White Deer Hole Creek tonight. I had looked at the list of PA rivers some time ago but did not know about the articles for the other Pine Creeks (except the Australian one) - thanks. Just a question - why don't you move your old talk to archive pages instead of "deleting" it? Ruhrfisch 03:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


Me again - thanks for adding the list of PA rivers to Loyalsock Creek and White Deer Hole Creek. I made a goofy error - the main tributary of the Loyalsock is Little Loyalsock Creek (not Little Lycoming Creek), so I switched it back (and delinked it). My goal is to eventually get the articles to where Larrys Creek nearly is (it needs pictures). I want to get a uniform style for the six articles on Lycoming County creeks following that model (three already mentioned plus Pine Creek (Pennsylvania), Lycoming Creek and Muncy Creek). For creeks that have major tributaries (listed as watersheds in their own right on the Chesapeake Bay page I link to), I was going to do just one page (see Muncy Creek and Little Muncy Creek for an example - it needs work, but is getting there) and just do a redirect and link to the major creek article for the minor tributaries (Little Muncy Creek is linked this way on the List of PA rivers already). Eventually I would like to do the whole West Branch Susquehanna River system this way and way in the future the whole Susquehanna system. Kind of like the Potomac system articles all are now. Ruhrfisch 16:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


  • I just moved Lycoming Creek (Pennsylvania) to Lycoming Creek, there is only one Lycoming Creek listed in Wikipedia. Sorry for the back & forth. Gjs238 14:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
    • No problemo. Changing subjects, I think I misunderstand disambiguation pages - there is also a "Muncy Creek Township, Pennsylvania" article about the Lycoming County township, so I had a link to Muncy (disambiguation) on each page with Muncy in the name (Muncy, PA; Muncy Twp, Muncy Creek Twp, and Muncy Creek itself). What should we do if someone types in "Muncy Creek" and just gets the creek article and not the Township? Ruhrfisch 21:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Your understanding is just fine, I returned the Muncy disambiguation to the Muncy Creek page. An alternative would be to rename the stream page 'Muncy Creek (Pennsylvania) and make 'Muncy Creek' a disambiguation page pointing to both the stream and township pages. Thanks for pointing out my error. Gjs238 15:28, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
        • OK, thanks - I changed the order so the indented Little Muncy Creek was under Muncy Creek (instead of under Muncy Creek Township), then put the PA Muncy names together and then the PA Muncy Creek names together. I had also thought on the Muncy Creek article there could just be a "See also Muncy Creek Township, Pennsylvania" and on the Muncy Creek Township article there could be a "See also Muncy Creek (stream)" or something similar instead of a disambiguation article link. Ruhrfisch 16:42, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
          • I had put things in alphabetical order, either way works. Little Muncy Creek should have been indented under Muncy Creek, not the Township, that was a typo. As for the disambiguation, yes, it would be fine to have a more specific disambiguation just for the two Muncy Creek pages. Either way works, it's just a matter of what 'seems' best. Gjs238 18:59, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
            • OK, thanks - I defer to whatever you think best on the diambiguation page for Muncy and Muncy Creek. Ruhrfisch 01:18, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Larrys Creek

Would you mind looking over Larrys Creek? I think it is pretty much done and would appreciate some feedback on it. My idea is to eventually get all seven Lycoming County, Pennsylvania major streams to this level of article, so this is kind of the model. Thanks, Ruhrfisch 13:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beaver River disambiguation page

Thank you for alerting me to the dab guidelines and the Manual of Style recommendations regarding wiki links in dab pages in your edit summary of Beaver River, where you reverted my wikifications of place names there. I read the guidelines and the Manual of Style, including the end note suggesting breaking the rules if need be, and went back to the article and removed the rest of wikifications left in place (other than the targeted Beaver rivers in various places, of course). Best Wishes, -- Mareklug talk 08:28, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers

Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers

A great page I recently stumbled upon - relevant to much of the discussion here. Gjs238 22:46, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Native American

As far as I know, the Native American language spoken in the Delaware watershed (and hence, the source of native names) was almost invariably the Lenape language. You might want to refer to that, as a more specific term, in your stream articles. Choess 01:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I have noticed your changes to my stubs in that direction. My references use the term "Indian" - I felt using the term "Native American" more appropriate. If I find reference to a specific Native American language I will use it, however, I prefer not to refer to a specific language on the basis of assumption. If you are certain a specific Native American language is appropriate in a given article, then please continue making changes. Gjs238 12:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Bear (disambiguation)

I apologize by getting in your way about the article but all I wanted to do was to change the description of Bear, Delaware, which was incorrect. cheers. --Moreau36 21:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi. No problem at all - by no means are you in the way! Changes look good!  :-) Gjs238 23:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abbot or Abbots Creek

Where should we put the creek in Cumberland County, NJ, now at Abbots Creek? Topo maps say "Abbot," which is presumably the current name; maps from mapmaker.rutgers.edu show 1872 "Abbot's", 1913 "Abbot", 1936 and 1954 "Abbotts". Choess

My reference, Garden State Canoeing by Edward Gertler, uses the name Abbots Creek. But I have no problem going with what is on the (USGS?) map. We can have alternate name redirect pages. Gjs238 06:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paulins Kill

Please do take a look at the begins of a major edit I've done at Paulins Kill on 24 August 2006. I have noticed you have contributed to the article, that is why I'm letting you know...and would love to have your opinion. There is more that I will be adding to the article in terms of content and photographs in the next few hours/days (in case you see it in the middle of some work). Please feel free to drop me a line as to any suggestions or comments or questions, etc. —ExplorerCDT 20:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Excellent work! Gjs238 21:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I put the Paulins Kill article up for Peer Review (link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Paulins_Kill with the hope of passing this step and next nominating the article as a Featured article. When the time comes, I'll let you know...but in the meantime, if you'd like to comment on any improvements/suggestions, feel free to join the Peer Review conversation at the above link. Thanks. —ExplorerCDT 18:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Larrys Creek

Hi, you've done some edits on Larrys Creek and we worked on creek names in PA (see above). Larrys Creek is now a Featured Article candidate, so I would appreciate any feedback you want to leave here Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Larrys Creek. Thanks, Ruhrfisch 15:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again for your contributions - Larrys Creek made featured article today!
Take care, Ruhrfisch 03:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:Delaware River tributaries

Didn't realize you had removed Rivers of New Jersey. I sat there thinking I had added it, and had a moment of deja vu or whatever it is. Anyways, thanks for adding a few more to the category. Perhaps this week I'll finish the Paulins Kill article —ExplorerCDT 23:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Valley Creek

Besides the Schuylkill tributary, a quick google search reveals Valley Creeks in at least TX, AL, CA, and MN. In fact the one in PA didn't show up on the first page, setting the stage for a losing notability dispute sometime in the future. Topozone lists 3 Valley Creeks in TX. Better to set up a dab page at Valley Creek today.

If you're going to going to insist on leaving it as just Valley Creek in List of Pennsylvania rivers, then at least go fix the other references to Valley Creek (Schuylkill River). --J Clear 19:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, a future Valley Creek page would be best served by making it a disambig page, although not a (disambig) page. Thanks for putting the time into researching and commenting. Gjs238 21:00, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] USS Monongahela

I'm reverting your edits to USS Monongahela. This is not a disambig page and therefore not subject to the disambig MOS. It is a Ship Index page, as clearly noted at the bottom of the page. If you'd like to suggest a Ship Index MOS, then please do so. Otherwise, you may wish to review the discussion that led to the Ship Index category at MOS Talk. Thanks. Jinian 18:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. I didn't find the notation on the bottom of the page so clear, so questioned the matter at the place that seemed most appropriate: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Disambiguating United States Navy ships. It seems the matter was not at all clear to others as well. Regardless, it seems this particular matter has been resolved. Thanks again. Gjs238 23:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big Moose Lake

Thanks for cleaning up the redundant category issue for Big Moose Lake -- it caused me to review the Manual of Style for Categories and I learned something.

Jim Dunning 05:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

 :-) Gjs238 05:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Pelham Islands categories

The Pelham Islands page now appears in two categories, Category:Long Island Sound and Category:Islands of New York City, which is a parent of the former category. Unless I misunderstand, the parent category should be removed. Gjs238 07:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work on category cleanup, and I see the many articles coming through on my watchlist from your efforts. I do it on my own as I'm editing articles, but I don't envy your task. I don't see a parent cat relationship, and if it does exist it's a mistake. Category:Long Island Sound and Category:Islands of New York City overlap, but there are many non-overlaps, e.g., Ellis Island, which is in New York Harbor, nor Long Island Sound. If you do see the relationship, let me know, because it needs to be corrected. Alansohn 07:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC).

The relationship looks like this:

-Category:Islands of New York City
-Category:Long Island
Category:Long Island Sound

Gjs238 07:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I think I've fixed it by fixing the Cat Long Island. Gjs238 07:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Now looks like this:

-Category:Islands of New York City
-Category:Long Island
Category:Long Island Sound

Gjs238 07:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Cities in New Jersey

The Category:Cities in New Jersey has been removed from several articles, including Newark, New Jersey. We need to have the city category, and I can't see where a parent category relationship is established. Any thoughts before I revert? Alansohn 01:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The category cities in nj has 8 subcategories. Articles in one or more of the subcats should not be in the parent cat. The article newark, nj is in the subcat newark, nj - so it doesn't belong in the cat new jersey as well. In other words, new jersey is the parent cat, newark, nj is the subcat. Gjs238 05:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Red Bank, New Jersey

You removed the Borough category from Red Bank because the Red Bank category is a child of both Boroughs in New Jersey and Monmouth County, New Jersey. From that standpoint, what you did makes sense. It makes perfect sense that Red Bank is in Monmouth County, so the fact that the Red Bank cat includes Monmouth County as a cat, means that all locations in the Red Bank cat are in Monmouth County. Fine. The problem is that while Red Bank is a borough, all of the places in the Red Bank cat are NOT boroughs. I removed the Borough cat from the Red Bank cat and put it in the Red Bank article. This probably explains the same problem occurring in other municipalities, as for Newark above; The borough/city/town/township/village categories DO NOT belong anywhere other than on the article for the municipality. Alansohn 01:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I was expecting a message from you  :-) I saw your solution and think it works well. Thanks  :-) Gjs238 02:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] White Deer Hole Creek

If you are interested, I have an article at Wikipedia:Peer review/White Deer Hole Creek. Take care, Ruhrfisch 21:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


Thanks again for your contributions - White Deer Hole Creek made featured article!
Take care, Ruhrfisch 17:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bald Eagle Creek (West Branch Susquehanna River)

I see you started a disambigution for Bald Eagle Creek (West Branch Susquehanna River). This seems rather complex, and I'm not sure the shorter creek needs a separate article. I had added a note about it in the body of the main article. It is in a separate watershed, but it begins in the same headlands, and runs along the same valley. Dhaluza 13:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paulins Kill now a Featured Article

As of a few moments ago, Paulins Kill was promoted to Featured Article status. I just wanted to thank you for your contributions to and suggestions for improving the article over these past few months and that I appreciate your help in bringing this article to notice as a Featured Article. Once again, thank you, and keep up the good work. —ExplorerCDT 22:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ramapos

I do not see much in this category or article except mountains. I realize between many mountains there is a valley, but nothing written here. Hmains 19:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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