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    [edit] Questions

    Perhaps a one sentence disambig mention at the top? Or note the pun regarding the movie's title? zen master T 20:31, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

    I put a brief note about the move title in the first paragraph. Feel free to tweak. —Morven 22:53, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)
    Is it ok to have 2 articles on wikipedia differentiated only by capitalization? Ginger Snaps and Ginger snaps? Not a big deal but maybe we need (movie) and (cookie) in the title to disambig? zen master T 23:05, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)


    [edit] the difference between a horror film and a horror-comedy

    CanadianCaesar, you state that 'If you watch the director's commentary, he makes all sorts of comments like "that was funny..." "We thought this was funny..." "What is this, a horror film?"'. This is no doubt true but i suggest that this doesnt make the film a horror-comedy. For one thing, look at the way genres are categorized here on Wikipedia. There actually is no 'horror-comedy' genre here, but there is Comedy Horror and it is a sub-category of comedy: as in comedy drama, comedy science fiction etc. This implies, and the list of films supports this, that the film and its intentions are primarily comedic, while its imagery, characters etc draw on the horror film. This is clearly not the case with Ginger Snaps. A great many horror films contain moments of comedy to ease the tension or for contrast but i think its going too far to then call all of these horror-comedies. Personally, I think this gives people a very wrong impression of what the film will be like. IMDB categorizes the film as Drama, Horror, Thriller. Allmovie.com says Horror, Coming of Age, Monster Film, Feminist Film. Aglie 22:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

    The category is also a subcategory of Horror films. I'm aware of no rule that states comedy-horror films, or horror-comedy films, have to be primarily one or the other, (and I don't think the word order makes a difference); I agree a "great many" films are turning out to be blends of horror-comedies, but there are still films that opt for straight horror- there is little to laugh at in The Ring or its sequel (although I know some people found those to be unintentionally funny). CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 22:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
    I think this is the sort of thing that could really use referencing, considering the subjectivity of the categorization. I've seen the movie myself and I would definitely not categorize it as a comedy. True, there are a few things in it that are funny, but the movie as a whole is IMO not intended to be. What sources are there that consider it comedy? IMDB lists it as a "Drama / Horror / Thriller", Box Office Mojo classifies it simply as "horror", Rotten Tomatoes classifies it as "horror/suspense". Bryan 23:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
    Aha! According to this [1] Ginger Snaps actually won a comedy award. I think this is a pretty good reference that the film is comedy-horror. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 22:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Screenshot

    Would it be alright to add this screen shot of Katharine Isabelle to the cast section? On the image page it says that the image was removed from the actress's wikipage so I'm not sure. I think it would add to the article. --Supernumerary 06:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

    It was removed for having no source. It now has a source and has been re-added to the article. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 06:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Ways to Improve

    Does anyone have ideas on the best way to improve this article? The only things I can think of are expanding the production section, copy editing, and possibly adding more screen shots. I want to get it ready to undergo a peer review.--Supernumerary 00:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

    How about a simple yes/no opinion then? Keep this picture of Katherine Isabelle in the cast section or replace it with this one? The first one only shows Isabelle, but the second shows Isabelle and Perkins. I think the latter is preferable.--Supernumerary 03:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Good Article nomination on Hold

    • There are run-on sentences and overall hurried writing and informal tone:
      • "However, Ginger rejects the first cure, a pure silver ring, and as Brigitte tries to find another solution Ginger kills a local girl."
      • "Mimi Rogers was sent a script, and she replied quickly to the black humor and comic relief in her role and received the part. Robin Cook, the Canadian casting director, suggested one of her favorites, Kris Lemche, for the drug dealer and after he auditioned Fawcett hired him."
    • All of the awards need inline cites.
      Done. I removed the comedy award since the official site did not have. However, IMDB and Wikipedia both have it listed, which is strange.--Supernumerary 16:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
    • In general, there are some sections that have too few cites. I start to worry about copyvio when I see whole paragraphs with only one cite at the bottom.
    • The lead should mention the controversy during shooting.
      Mentioned. Do I need to provide a cite there as well?--Supernumerary 22:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

    --Ling.Nut 14:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

    I was asked to give a second opinion, so here are my thoughts:
    • I'm not as down on the prose as LN is, but it's not great. There are some areas that paragraphs could be expanded or combined before I would approve this.
    I'd be really grateful if you could provide examples. I'm busy rewriting it and would be glad to fix anything pointed out.
    No problem. The "casting," "Shooting," and "Reception" areas are the ones that need tightening, and you may want to see if you can find someone who can copyedit the plot area for you. It's somewhat rambling in nature. --badlydrawnjeff talk 22:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
    The prose improved between yours and LN's reviews, but I had not gotten to the sections that were bothering you. So hopefully that means that I fixed what was wrong with them just as I fixed the earlier sections. Check and see if you would. (When I get some time I plan to rewrite the reception section to better incorporate the feminist critique and try to better represent the positive and negative reviews.)--Supernumerary 02:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
    • There is a lot of sketchy sourcing happening that I don't know if I'm comfortable with. If you can source them away from website/fansites toward something more reliable (even if it's a trendy horror magazine or something), you'd have better luck.
    The source for nearly all of the production data is the official press kit. However, the official site is now defunct (Google cache and the internet archive do not have copies), so it's coming through a copy on a fansite. As for books, a search of Amazon reveals it getting mentioned in only two, and one is only a passing reference. (The local library has neither of them, and I'm not sure if I want to spend $30+ for a few relevant pages.) All the other cites are of interviews or film reviews. So I guess what I need to know is, is the official press kit considered unreliable?
    I didn't catch that. My suggestion is to stop linking the website repeatedly, and instead use a ref tag to reference the press kit. Then, in the external links, provide one link to the site with the press kit materials. Treat them like a book or magazine that isn't online, and you'll be fine. --badlydrawnjeff talk 22:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
    So yeah. --badlydrawnjeff talk 17:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


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    badlydrawnjeff had further comments, see above.
    Hi Supernumerary,
    I'm wobbly, but afraid I'm very gently leaning "fail" at the moment..
    • I did a little quick research and found two relatively respectable sources for some decent quotes:
    Wow. Thanks for this, I don't know how I missed this one.
    • Briefel, Aviva.(2005). Monster Pains: Masochism, Menstruation, and Identification in the Horror Film. Film Quarterly, Spring 2005, Vol. 58, No. 3, Pages 16-27.
    As for the prose, I'll think about it and put some more comments on again soon.
    Thanks for your hard work --Ling.Nut 22:43, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
    I've been trying to do some copyediting on the prose. To be frank, it all looks as though it were typed in about 30 minutes flat — particularly the synopsis. A van hits the lycanthrope, and later they know it was the drug dealer's but how do they know? The name of the Canadian casting director is avoided for several lines, then mentioned with respect to casting the drug dealer. The whole article had an informal, unencylopedic tone (I replaced "turned off" with "appalled," for example. "Sam and Brigitte hide in a closet while he finishes the solution, but he is pulled from the closet." Who is he, and how is he pulled? These are just exxamples; the entire article needs copyediting, IMO.--Ling.Nut 19:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
    Thanks for the copyediting. The "he" in the sentence you quoted refers to the nearest male antecedent "Sam", which I think is obvious. I will clarify that he is pulled from the closet by Ginger. I've clarified how she knows that it was Sam who hit the werewolf. I agree that it is awkward to avoid the casting directors name. However, I really don't see what is so terribly bad about the prose. I'm trying to be very formal (avoiding contractions, avoiding colloquialisms, etc) but apparently it's not working. I wrote most of the article. I copyedited it once before the PR, and I copyedited again when you first commented. I think it is beyond my abilities to fix the prose if I've failed after two copyedits. It seems that I will need to solicit someone to copyedit it (or read manuals, examine FAs, etc) and track down sources before it is ready for GA. Thanks for your time.--Supernumerary 04:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Good Article PASS

    The article has improved since this process began. I'll take your word for it that you're going to keep sharpening it. :-) --Ling.Nut 23:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

    Thank you very much! I will sharpen it up more as soon as my Christmas break starts on Thursday.--Supernumerary 01:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Copyedit

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