Talk:Gilles Villeneuve

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Contents 1 Villeneuve alive when medics arrived? 2 Pronunciation 3 Selected article 4 Museum? 5 Selected Article 6 GA passed 7 Reversion of changes to Pre-F1 8 Watkins Glen 1979

[edit] Villeneuve alive when medics arrived?

I heard somewhere that he was still barely alive when the medical teams reached him, maybe could be worth researcing?

According the Donaldson biography, which is a pretty highly regarded book, he was not declared dead until 9:12 that evening and had been maintained on a life support machine up to that point. There were attempts to resuscitate him immediately after the accident, but Prof Sid Watkins is of the view that the outcome was inevitable once the accident occured. This pretty much fits with what the article currently says. 4u1e 09:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

How do you pronounce his name?

Something like 'Geal (soft 'g', like 'generate') Veel - nerve' and camp up your French accent (Yes, I know, French-Canadian not the same as French!) Hope that helps, I don't know how that fancy phonetic notation works. If anyone does, they could add it to the article :) 4u1e

I've rather dubiously come up with this: ʒilə vilənœvə for pronunciation. Anyone know if that's right? 4u1e 21:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Selected article

It has been suggested at Portal talk:Formula One that this article be used as a selected article. It is also suggested (by me, not by any higher authority) that the following work is needed before doing so:

• Provide references
• Tidying up structure with suitable headings

• 'Family life' for example. The period of Gilles' early career was quite hard for his wife, and of course there is Jacques as well.
• Probably split into something like:

Lead

Early and family life

Racing Career

Pre-Formula One (Snowmobile racing, anyone?)

Formula One

Death - Much of the current wording would end up in this section, or the next one

Legacy - Villeneuve has made it into racing folklore, so I think 'Legacy' is appropriate here. Wouldn't be for most drivers. Done 4u1e 06:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Refs etc Largely done? 4u1e 11 July

• Consider whether the list of quotes is a suitable format for this article (personal view, here, so don't take that as gospel!)

• Suggest it would be more suitable to move most of them to wikiquote (and then put the wikiquote box at the bottom of this page) and maybe keep a couple to illustrate the article. 4u1e 3 July 2006

• Well, I've taken executive action on this one - the quotes were all in Wikiquote already, so I've deleted them from here. 4u1e 11 July 2006

• Usual spelling, grammar and wikilink checks.
• Expand lead to provide suitable draw for readers. Think I've covered this. 4u1e

Feel free to knock any items off that list, or provide justification as to why they are not needed. Cheers. 4u1e 6 June 2006

I would also say that some more pictures would be good. 4u1e 19:09, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

One of Villeneuve in a 312T3 added (Thanks again to Barry Boor) 4u1e 11 July 2006

The current intention is that this article should be brought up to Good Article status by 16 July. I likes a challenge. 4u1e 19:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Article also needs a summary table of results - anyone feel like knokcing one up, using the model from Mark Webber or Damon Hill? 4u1e 11 July 2006

Done. Cs-wolves 14:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• Good work there Cs-wolves. I've been away for a few days, should have checked on that before setting my deadlines! :-D Give me 24 hours to have a look over it. Off the top of my head I'm still a bit concerned about NPOV (not from your work, but from the article as it was) and it probably still needs fuller references. I can sort those - I've got Donaldson's biography here. Maybe you can look at NPOV and I'll do the references and if we sort that out we can go on as selected article tomorrow night. Cheers 4u1e 22:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Museum?

Is there actually a Gilles Villeneuve museum near Ile Notre-Dame? I don't remember seeing one when I was there, it's not listed on the Parc Jean-Drapeau map (which includes Ile Notre-Dame), and the only reference to a Gilles Villeneuve museum I can find is in his hometown of Berthierville, far enough away from Montreal that it wouldn't be considered "near Ile Notre-Dame". --CanSpice 00:34, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

On that basis I've removed this bit, leaving only reference to the museum in Berthierville.

[edit] Selected Article

OK - I reckon this is pretty much there (Apologies for the delay over references!). I've put it on the portal as the 'Selected Article'. Well done to all those who contributed! I've also nominated it for Good Article status, which will probably take a couple of weeks to come through, judging by the backlog on the nominations page. Cheers! 4u1e 08:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA passed

I have passed the article as a Good article as I felt it was an excellent read. With some extra work this could easily be made a featured article. Pascal.Tesson 02:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reversion of changes to Pre-F1

I don't normally so this, but I really feel that the changes made to the 'pre-Formula One' section recently did not benefit this article at all. I have reverted that section only to the version of around 25 August. There were some spelling and grammar errors, but I'm afraid that the worst thing was that the logic of the writing went completely. If anyone wants to go into I can cover it point by point. Always happy to discuss, either here or at my talk page.

I will work back in some of the extra information that had been added though. Cheers. --4u1e 17:58, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Watkins Glen 1979

I don't know which is correct, but I noticed that the page for Gilles states that he was eleven seconds faster than anyone else during wet qualifying at the above race whilst the page for the race states he was nine seconds faster. Knowing Gilles, it was probably a combination of the two! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mighty Antar (talk • contribs) 02:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

I've referenced it now, which helps :-) It is given as 11 seconds by Nigel Roebuck. I've not been involved in the 1979 race article, but the quote is worded differently and most likely comes from a different source (Road and Track). The probable answer is that one (or both) of the journalists got the figure slightly wrong in their notes and it's been carried over from there. If anyone has the full stats for that race, we could confirm either way.4u1e 19:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)