Talk:Gideon Koren
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suspected repeated vandalism deleted Ciche 03:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- I have no previous familiarity with the subject of this article, but how, precisely, is information from reliable sources vandalism? The sources here appear to meet WP:BLP and the information should stay. JChap2007 03:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- You may be right. It just seems that this slants the treatment, perhaps intentionally judging from the large bold text. I remember this issue in the media, Sixty Minutes and all, and think that Wikipedia is not the place to play out possible vendettas. See for example [1]for different points of view and many parts to the affair over many years. The way these references to it were selected in isolation suggests maliciousness I think. Perhaps you don't agree? Ciche 03:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- I have looked over the history of the page and understand your concerns. However, this seems to be an important event in the life of the subject and should be discussed. Perhaps you would like to try your hand at a more balanced treatment? JChap2007 14:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- You may be right. It just seems that this slants the treatment, perhaps intentionally judging from the large bold text. I remember this issue in the media, Sixty Minutes and all, and think that Wikipedia is not the place to play out possible vendettas. See for example [1]for different points of view and many parts to the affair over many years. The way these references to it were selected in isolation suggests maliciousness I think. Perhaps you don't agree? Ciche 03:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I moved the following content from the article:
"Dr. Koren's conduct was very wrong and a serious violation of the university's standards and values," said university president Robert Prichard. "The severe discipline reflects the university's unequivocal disapproval of his conduct." [2]
In 2002 the discipline committee of the College of Physicians and surgeons of Ontario ordered Dr. Gideon Koren to pay $2,500. [3]
Dr. Nancy Olivieri was vindicated in her actions.
This material is disputed and we should try to arrive at a more balanced version before inserting. JChap2007 20:12, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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- I'll look into it and try to contribute along the lines you suggest. Thanks for taking a close look at the history and understanding what struck me. Ciche 20:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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- The material noted above is certainly not disputed. It is in the public record. Notwithstanding Dr. Koren's distinguished career, these are facts about his behaviour. He has the rest of his life to make amends for his behaviour in the Olivieri "affair" which he refused to admit until caught by DNA evidence. This should be included here in a factual manner as it is a reality about is behaviour as a scientist. This was not a personal matter, but one of standards of behaviour. His supporters here at Wikkipedia really have only two choices, 1. to withdraw the biography here entirely or 2. to accept a balanced documentation of the reality. 207.61.84.162
- No, there is a third alternative. To discuss what would constitute balanced coverage of the matter on the talk page. This is much better than edit warring, no? JChap2007 01:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
