Talk:Ghassan Kanafani
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[edit] NPOV dispute
If there is no confirmation that Israel has this policy of assassination of PFLP members, and no confirmation that Israel killed him, why is it sttated twice? Gartogg 8:32, 6 Aug 2006 (EST)
[edit] Confirmation?
...who was assassinated by the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad on July 8, 1972...
Can we unequivically confirm he was assassinated by the Mossad?
How was he killed? Several web articles said 'car bomb' but I wonder if they meant a 'bomb' in a 'car' (as opposed to a bomb so big it had to be built into a car to transport it).
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- He was killed with his niece (a bomb had been placed in his car). He was an official spokesperson for the PFLP at the time, there was an Israeli policy of assassinating Palestinian figures. Tiller1 17:04, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I reworded the intro and added that material. Thank you.
It was reported in a documentary that Yasser arafat heard the israeli agents infront of his office talking in hebrew that day, and we should mention that after his death Bassam Abu-Sharif took his office and after a while faced an assasination attempt in a envelope placed "post-bomb". H-CTR 19:29, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Expansion
There is a lot of room to expand his political activities.
[edit] Blanking material on page
Huldra etc, your edits and reverts are non factual. For instance, "baruch goldstein isn't??" - a bad faith edit right there. While Goldtein article clearly says : "He belonged to the Jewish Defense League (JDL), a militant Jewish organization founded by Rabbi Meir Kahane and designated as a terrorist organization by the United States. [1]" Therefore I respectfully ask again and for the last time - do not revert this sourced material of the designation of PFLP. It's approaching a level of pure serious violation that will enforce to take actions. Just so we're clear, the reason in adding this is the alleged assassination of his by Israeli forces. Therefore, it's important to note WHY he was assassinated possibly by Israel. If mention of Israel's possible involvement is dropped completley, so will this be dropped. But you can't possibly say : "is widely believed to have been planted by agents of Israel, which had a policy of assassinating PFLP members" without stating the reason for that "policy". Fairly simple. Amoruso 08:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- Firstly: my last edit summary was of course in response to your last edit summary (=("because it's a bio of a terrorist")). So I really cannot see that I have a more "bad faith edit" than you.
- but your point was that the designation of a group he (loosely) was related to is also not mentioned. and it is mentioned. Amoruso 09:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- Secondly: yes, the article say "Israeli security services were widely suspected of the killing," but then it goes on to say: "... but responsibility has never been claimed by them or any other party nor has the guilty party been established". So you want to have vague connection between the assasination&Israel "balanced" with solid connection between Kanafani&terrorism. Sorry, I "don´t buy" that exchange. (But if you want to remove the part futher down: "which had a policy of assassinating PFLP members.[citation needed]" -part, then I will not object...It is uncited, anyway.)
- doesn't matter. It should be established why Israel would have any interest in killing him, I think that's obvious. Amoruso 09:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- See below. Huldra 10:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- Thirdly: everything that is sourced is not neccessarely relevant. I can find a reliable source saying that Adolf Eichman considered himself to be a supporter of Zionism.. (It´s true!!!) ...or that al-Quada have used Menachem Begins book: "The Revolt" as a text-book.....Do you think that is relevant? (Then you can add it to the "appropriate" articles, I have not tried! ;-D ).
- irrelevant examples.... Eichmann supporter of zionism is unfortunately not true. I'm having trouble to understand how a designation of an organization by Israel who's blamed for killing him is not relevant to the article. Amoruso 09:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, A.E. claimed he was.. (yes, I know it sounds sick..) But anyway: the whole point here is that you give the "terrorist-aspect" far too much weight in the article. As simple as that. Half a sentence about the possible involvement of Israel in his assasination does not merit 3-4 sentences on the "terrorist-aspect" of PFLP. That´s too good a deal ;-P Huldra 10:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- The bottom line is that whatever you feel about him, Amoruso, I think it is a fact that Kanafani is more known for his litterature that for his political activism (at least outside Israel). And I think the article should reflect that. Regards, Huldra 08:51, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- I think it's a fact he was regarded differently by Israel (and the western world) who is mentioned in the article, and therefore there's no getting around it. Amoruso 09:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
if Eichmann said he was a zionist I'd be interested to read about it. I added the compromise, it's not 3 sentences, it's barely half a sentence. I fail to see how that is undue weight and I hope it's settled then. Amoruso 11:03, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- Hannah Arendt: Eichman in Jerusalem.
- I´m afraid I do not agree with your new version. Also: Amoruso, as far as I can see, you have now broken the 3RR rule (as even partial rv are counted). I would strongly advise you to self-revert, if you do not want to be reported. (I´m not going to edit more on this article today, as I do not want to risk breaking the 3RR rule). Regards, Huldra 11:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- There's nothing possibly that could be said about what I wrote. If you don't accept, we'll keep edit-warring over this forever. There's no good faith reason that I can see to not accept this change as hard as I try to find. Amoruso 11:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- I see you have self-reverted: wise. I´m certainly willing to look for a compromise: I did suggest one above. But as I have said: your insistance on listing the PFLP terror-status because Israel is mentioned as a suspect of the assassination; that´s what I have trouble with. Regards, Huldra 11:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- There's nothing possibly that could be said about what I wrote. If you don't accept, we'll keep edit-warring over this forever. There's no good faith reason that I can see to not accept this change as hard as I try to find. Amoruso 11:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
